Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 40CBF380000AA; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RsGPR-00015n-Q1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:18:17 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RsGPR-00015e-91 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:18:17 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RsGPP-0000ej-Jp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:18:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvcCADkTKE9Olmss/2dsb2JhbAAMN61jg3QBAQEBA4EFBAsJCAQBAQEJHgcPAjUJCBMGAgEBG681kTWJIIIcBgEIDQ6DFhkEAwwDFAUECBBAg2gEgluLAJoZ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,596,1320624000"; d="scan'208,217";a="359674543" Received: from host-78-150-107-44.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.5]) ([78.150.107.44]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:18:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4F281440.60708@talktalk.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:18:08 +0000 From: qrss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4F27D61D.1080401@talktalk.net> <002f01cce011$bb769b40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F27DEDD.4010101@talktalk.net> <001501cce028$96bfaf00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001501cce028$96bfaf00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050507020205020708030206" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:469142752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4f2833ad05de X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050507020205020708030206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what we need now is someone who says, "I get de-codes of many stations using OPERA but never G3ZJO, here is a screen shot of the Phantom QRS3". There have been some land marks in the last couple of days Mal, you have seen my signal in 2 Modes. 73 Eddie On 31/01/2012 14:57, mal hamilton wrote: > Eddie > Does FANT0M ring a bell !!!!!!!!!!!!! QRS 3 F A N T (ZERO) M > mal/g3ke > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* qrss > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge > > Great stuff Mal > > I don't use the OPERA waterfall always, I use SpecLab in QRS3 > settings. Of course if we use Speclab to reduce the bandwidth to > observe the QRS3 we are moving the goal posts as in Marcus' > example and we must narrow the RX bandwidth to feed the OPERA > decoder to compensate. > > However my previous tests reveal that with all the armoury > available the QRS3 boys do not read the signal. > > ***************** THERE IS A PHANTOM IN THE OPERA STILL TO BE > REVEALED ******************** > > * > On 31/01/2012 12:13, mal hamilton wrote: >> For a start I am not always in the shack to observe received >> signals but this morning I did observe your on/off elements then >> a decode. >> Normally I use my E/W LOOP for EU reception and reports and in >> this case I do not hear/see N/S ie cannot see or decode ur signal. >> I did however switch to the inv L antenna to compare signals and >> did get a decode on you. >> When I get time I will have a look at your QRS3 properly on Speclab >> g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* qrss >> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:53 AM >> *Subject:* LF: QRS3-OPERA Challenge >> >> The QRS3 Opera challenge has been running for almost 24 Hours >> now, continuously, I initially proposed it as a one shot >> operation. >> >> Last night I asked G3XIZ to read my Phantom QRS3 to ensure >> that it is readable and at S6 it certainly was. >> >> Many stations have decoded my OPERA during the period. NO ONE >> except XIZ has reported the QRS3. >> >> OPERA (and by default from previous tests WSPR) has won hands >> down. >> >> G3KEV has received my signal several times :- 11:11 500 >> G3ZJO de G3KEV Op4 229 km -27 dB in SCARBOROUGH >> >> .and observed at least once :- >>> G3ZJO decoded and stopped at 1057 z TRACE visible during >>> transmission. I happened to be in the shack to observe >> Please can we keep this practical test on a sensible >> technical level. >> >> 73 Eddie G3ZJO >> > --------------050507020205020708030206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what we need now is someone who says, "I get de-codes of many stations using OPERA but never G3ZJO, here is a screen shot of the Phantom QRS3".

There have been some land marks in the last couple of days Mal, you have seen my signal in 2 Modes.

73 Eddie

On 31/01/2012 14:57, mal hamilton wrote:
Eddie
Does FANT0M ring a bell !!!!!!!!!!!!! QRS 3   F A N T (ZERO) M
mal/g3ke

----- Original Message -----
From: qrss
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge

Great stuff Mal

I don't use the OPERA waterfall always, I use SpecLab in QRS3 settings. Of course if we use Speclab to reduce the bandwidth to observe the QRS3 we are moving the goal posts as in Marcus' example and we must narrow the RX bandwidth to feed the OPERA decoder to compensate.

However my previous tests reveal that with all the armoury available the QRS3 boys do not read the signal.

**************** THERE IS A PHANTOM IN THE OPERA STILL TO BE REVEALED ********************


On 31/01/2012 12:13, mal hamilton wrote:
For a start I am not always in the shack to observe received signals but this morning I did observe your on/off elements then a decode.
Normally I use my E/W LOOP for EU reception and reports and in this case I do not hear/see N/S ie cannot see or decode ur signal.
I did however switch to the inv L antenna to compare signals and did get a decode on you.
When I get time I will have a look at your QRS3 properly on Speclab
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From: qrss
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:53 AM
Subject: LF: QRS3-OPERA Challenge

The QRS3 Opera challenge has been running for almost 24 Hours now, continuously, I initially proposed it as a one shot operation.

Last night I asked G3XIZ to read my Phantom QRS3 to ensure that it is readable and at S6 it certainly was.

Many stations have decoded my OPERA during the period. NO ONE except XIZ has reported the QRS3.

OPERA (and by default from previous tests WSPR) has won hands down.

G3KEV has received my signal several times :- 11:11    500 G3ZJO de G3KEV Op4 229 km -27 dB in SCARBOROUGH

.and observed at least once :-
G3ZJO decoded and stopped at 1057 z TRACE visible during transmission. I happened to be in the shack to observe
Please can we keep this practical test on a sensible technical level.

73 Eddie G3ZJO


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