Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 06AB8380000AF; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RrtKP-0000d7-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:39:33 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RrtKO-0000cs-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:39:32 +0000 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9] ident=postfix) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RrtKL-0005gH-QQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:39:32 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31B42000098D for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:39:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix, from userid 5001) id A47F620000A99; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:39:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [10.3.156.134]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn@toya.net.pl) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F34620000837 for ; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:39:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4F26B9A5.6040109@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:39:17 +0100 From: Piotr Mlynarski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; pl; rv:1.9.2.25) Gecko/20111213 Thunderbird/3.1.17 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3992CC59F7A14AA694628529761EC5DE@AGB> <4F1F695F.7020400@charter.net> In-Reply-To: X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:375367552:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40564f26c2834afe X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none W dniu 2012-01-28 20:18, Andy Talbot pisze: > I've been thinking about the maths behind Wolf and it gets quite interesting. > One thing we can say, its definitely a spread spectrum system !!!!!!!! > SRI USA Hams :-( > > A message of 15 characters taken from an alphabet of 40 (A-Z 0-9 and a > few punctuation) give 80 source bits of data after compression. > These are expanded to 480 data bits in six parallel tail-biting > convolutional encoders. In pure error correction terms this seems > like mega-overkill, so there's more than meets the eye going on... > Interleaving may or may not then be employed, but it doesn't affect > things. > The 480 bits are then merged with another 480 bits of a PN seqeunce > (in a not totally dissimilar way that I suspect Opera does) to allow > the decoder to lock to the sequence. > The whole lot is then transmitted at 10 Symbols/s BPSK so the whole > message takes 96 seconds > Dear Andy, LF Group, In the general description of WOLF given by its Author, Stewart, KK7KA http://www.scgroup.com/ham/wolf.html there is a paragraph shortly describing the error control encoder. There is also an interesting statement about the performance of turbo codes used in the modern comm systems. Unfortunately, the link to the 'comparison paper' is dead. However, being in some way interested in the subject i have managed to find that publication which possibly could be of some interest to you and other fellows it is available here: http://www.toya.net.pl/~mlynarski/compare-codes.pdf if you had an earlier access to this paper , pse disregard my mail.. :) yours, Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz/jo91rs/