Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7DE1438000083; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RozyY-0008PM-Fv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:09:02 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RozyY-0008PD-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:09:02 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RozyX-0006ly-IW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:09:02 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120122160855.EAPN14931.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:08:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120122160855.CDSZ23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:08:55 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:38:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F1C2D7B.1484.B71D4BE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <003101ccd902$2d6111c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> References: <4F1BE531.7370.A577295@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, <003101ccd902$2d6111c0$8cd9160a@EFREMOV> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=mRt-EqvhtkwA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HgiwexSxydScKxaPm-sA:9 a=cuI32FNGfMjDMHpm9x8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Opera - initial thoughts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:472147040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894f1c34db5329 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none OK, Andrey, all understood. 73 de Mike ======== > >>No DX reports have been receved, although well-equipped stations in > >>UA and W have been active. > > Possibly, you mean also my station. I will clear a situation. > The grabber in KO86NP works with the downconverter. > An exit 30 khz. Therefore there is no possibility to use Opera. > In Moscow (KO85SV) strong QRM - 9+ on s-meter. > At night I have received signal UA4WPF only because this station is > close. > > 73 > Andrey > > > > > >I have been using Opera on 136kHz for about a week now. My initial > > findings are as follows: > > > > Around 12 stations have reported on my signals, in G, GW, F, DL, and > > PA. > > > > No DX reports have been receved, although well-equipped stations in > > UA and W have been active. > > > > I have received Russian stations as far as 3500km away. > > > > Several stations are active who are not visible on this group. > > > > The main benefits of Opera require an Internet connection. > > > > The slower Opera32 is more effective than Opera8, which is to be > > expected. > > > > It is much easier to run overnight tests than with QRSS, because > > effectively every receiving station has a 'grabber'. > > > > It is easy to run both transmit and receive tests over the same > > night. > > > > The software changes are now further apart (every few days, instead > > of daily) and new versions are no longer incompatilble with the > > previous ones. > > > > Although two stations can independently report on each other's > > signals, a QSO mode would be a really useful addition. > > > > My conclusion is that Opera seems to be a very useful propagation > > research tool, and could be a good communications mode. > > > > Is it better than QRSS? Well, it is a useful way to make a two-way > > QSO during periods of good conditions that are too short to support > > a QRSS30-60 contact. G4WGT and VO1NA have already demonstrated this. > > However, I have not yet seen any evidence that it can beat QRSS at > > the most marginal level. It could easily replace most QRSS3 contacts > > when signals are good. > > > > I can see my call on QRSS grabbers in TF, 4X, UA, VE and W quite > > often and would have expected some Opera reports from these > > distances. One issue might be that all stations are in the same > > narrow sub-band, which works fine on HF with very short ground wave, > > but may be inappropriate for LF where huge local signals compete > > with marginal DX. This was a problem with QRSS DX, which is why we > > now operate split frequency. > > > > I shall continue using Opera, but willl also use QRSS for DX tests. > > > > 73 de Mike, G3XDV > > =============== > > > > > > > > > > >