Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8A3E2380000AA; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RoFli-0006Ko-5D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:48:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RoFlh-0006Kf-OW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:48:41 +0000 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RoFlg-0007cr-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:48:41 +0000 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120120144833.ESPH14931.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:48:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120120144833.QXZK23925.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:48:33 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:24:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F197906.15901.E0EA4E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <4F1828F5.18343.1167B04@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=hDPAiND7FZDozX5FRk0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Opera speeds Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:394379200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61854f19858b1cde X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Ah. That's interesting. I will repeat my tests over the weekend and report back. Mike ==== > Not true - the way its reported. > > S/N is always (in amateur circles) referred to 2.5kHz. So although > OP32 has 6dB lower bandwidth than OP8 (0.12Hz compared with 0.5Hz > signalling) by teh time it is normalised to 2500Hz the figures end > up the same > > > Quite why, since WSJT introduced the idea, we chose to refer to S/N in > 2500Hz is lost in the shrouds of time. Just becasuse its about the > same as an SSB filter Why couldn't we have done what the rest of the > RF world does and use a 1Hz reference? > > Andy > G4JNT > > > > Reports on my signals from PA0A, PA0AM, G4WGT and F6CNI (between 257 > > and 465km) show variable results. The slower speed never produced a > > worse S/N, though sometimes it was exactly the same. Usually the > > result was between 4 and 9dB improvement with the slower speed. > > > > Intuitively, I would assume a 6dB improvement (though I am no > > digital expert), but occasionally better iif QRM is present as I > > would expect this to affect the faster signal more. Is this a > > reasonable > > >