Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dh05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97DC9380000B6; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RiCXC-0006A4-Rn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:08:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RiCXC-00069v-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:08:42 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RiCXB-0005Wy-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:08:42 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q03M8elG002344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:08:40 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id q03M8esl007459 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 23:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4F037C64.3070108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 23:08:36 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <50CB5299-C570-4ECC-9419-0D01FC708876@numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: <50CB5299-C570-4ECC-9419-0D01FC708876@numeo.fr> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id q03M8elG002344 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Improving Earth Resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:508759936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41194f037ca34fd3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi John, Am 03.01.2012 21:51, schrieb John Rabson: > The earth system consists of three wires radiating from the shack with = angular spacings of about 60=B0. They run underground through plastic con= duit for a distance of about 10 m and the remote ends are terminated in m= etal rods of the type used here to provide safety earth connections for m= ains installations. The three wires are connected together at the transm= itter to provide the earth. > =20 That sounds not bad. > The local geology is a mixture of granite and limestone with intrusions= of calcite. > =20 Not optimal. What about the house mains earth? Is it connected in parallel? I would=20 do so. If you use the TX antenna as the RX antenna too, it may be an=20 idea to disconnect the mains earth automatically by a relay to prevent=20 local QRM coming in to much... > At present the resistance at 137 kHz at the feed point is about 150 ohm= s (plus of course some reactance which it is not difficult to cancel). Are there many trees sourrounding the antenna? A phot would help us here. > At a frequency of 980 Hz, I get a resistance of about 25 ohms, depend= ing on whether there has been recent recent rain. > =20 Where did you connect that frequency generator. One pole is the earth,=20 but what is the other pole? I think it is only useful to measure the losses at the desired frequency. > Reasoning that the much higher resistance at 137 kHz might result from = the return current flowing through the ground rather than through the ear= th spikes, I tried strapping the remote ends of the earth wires. The add= itional wire ran almost below and effectively parallel to the antenna wir= es. > > This strapping made practically no difference to the 137 kHz resistance= , so I had further thoughts: > > 1) laying down an earth mat or something like chicken netting, or the k= ind of metal mesh which is used for fencing. Unfortunately, such things = are expensive here (I estimate the cost would run into three figures in E= uros), or > > 2) making the mat out of hookup wire or something similar. I have plent= y of such wire. Would I need to join the wires at each crossing, and what= spacing should I use? > > Any suggestions, please? > =20 Hmm, first i would switch the mains earth in parallel. Then, if the goal is to optimise the antenna efficiency it appears to me=20 it is rather useful to invest in a larger pole to increase the effective=20 height of the antenna wire. There are 18m poles available, not to=20 expensive. With 2 or 3 x 3 supports there should be no problem. The metal rods you use are excellent! Maybe make some experiments (on 137.0 kHz, with a resonated antenna),=20 measuring the antenna current and power. First use 1 rod (exclusively),=20 then 2, then 3. You will see if it is worth to spend another 3 rods or so. Which antenna C do you have? 73, Stefan/DK7FC