Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E685D3800009D; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RqwOp-0004Uc-BJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:44:11 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RqwOo-0004UT-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:44:10 +0000 Received: from nm2-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.92]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqwOn-0007H4-L5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:44:10 +0000 Received: from [212.82.108.228] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 00:44:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 00:44:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 699570.8033.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78498 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 00:44:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YpRZcDoh5cBPhW7c0E8lKYSgss9bJwFb3KLrr9wY5+zyfe6tztNwzOykmWv/ty7jzTVa/4oehkyNNGxbEreq59Kd+ji9vF7aBj5Nywk3+xQF8+3fKYmCtqiNtbaF0FLcYNIjQYSIVYoHVuQ5kgRo/PHCSoyM677sdOB8gIvW3Lo= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1327711443; bh=YmIwc4XW78ir2UwMrjpT0qY4DBahbQn8JPbrl0h9CBA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=wdJtWuXi5AsgyWe8PTg0WSl1klWLRrqh3mvF+Wy/cMkkIbmCrnbBaIyGaaLog075tLpM2qEEdHn0hTZxJQgpLhScGa1laGMbjfppH0IZ1Bl6f6YLtrU+n4KZ5+gtboOQADLE0IRPzh2XejTggqyMN5WFElU6oBZMF1Dp0wQWBRE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: H6rXh3oVM1kvOsFGDqksZOxR4PlbzVj2_M045Mzr6m0107F Wb4m7AfVw4wXVv1B5i0U8Narxs.m.AMQa38Hvn12sBiQGvaa6vzMaaSKHay_ zjO2DCu4q_fKKLtp3qidWxeuw01WYA_tkPYiWJO3V2f8KUP0ioQKIUybkBlZ 0BbwVY8JMz5IqepKXVf_kRBsnlhUP1wp9rkNGpSqkmoGILh2ADmaZBWVUP3D shWZ5qAhZs47r7gPO85Ea9kiURL4NMMjc7C3QW6lAFUbIgqOoYRFvPG64OZF QEmaHDQ9GPN7vgg9bayWrdkSG5HsMmQelc5gA4VJl1cO4_LsRZOUcEBK3e2T VGhktsd5LC_TTw951xM09Z4de0JQv0jlGKwKOlXfCpBzNjQTiyuA6RnGhgnC .IJ6i8kWn.XZQJ.PyBwNc0zP7N1BeWghd X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.177.191.81 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 00:44:03 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <3D6129856D6944248B1B77637EE42962@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:44:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: OT: Headphones Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:444938976:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94f2345104f9d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Roger, LF Group, > Is there a "modern" (i.e. can you buy it new today?) headphone set that is > * > extremely* sensitive in the same way that the old DLR5 headsets were in > terms of efficiency converting AF to sound pressure in the ear? > The DLR No. 5 headphones are "balanced armature" types, where a small, pivoted iron armature between the poles of an audio energised electromagnet is mechanically coupled to a lightweight, lightly sprung diaphragm. They were invented in the days when amplification was hard to achieve, so high efficiency headphones were very useful in increasing sensitivity. They were used a lot in the WWII era for "sound powered" intercomm systems, i.e. at one end there was a dynamic microphone which somebody talked into, and the small signal generated by the microphone was connected directly to the headphones at the receiving end, without any intevening amplifier, so they had to be sensitive. The resulting passive system was much more reliable and economical at that time than something using valve/tube electronics, or carbon microphones requiring a DC power source. When I was working on the "Electromechanical RX" I estimated that they were 10 dB or more higher sensitivity than modern "dynamic" headphones, which use what are basically small moving-coil loudspeakers, and try to optimise sound quality, often at the expense of efficiency. The main drawback is that they are rather "low-fi" with a restricted frequency response, although fine for communications audio. I think balanced armature transducers are still made for specialised applications; sound-powered intercoms are apparently still found on warships, I believe some hearing aid earpieces are balanced armature to reduce power consumption. Telephone handsets, from the era when they were supplied by the Post Office or BT and had rotary dials, were balanced armature, although modern electronic ones are usually "dynamic", I believe. I tried a couple of old telephone handset receivers, fitted into the casing of some cheap stereo headphones, which were comparable in sensitivity to the DLR No 5 headset. Communications headsets for "Clansman" military radios used into the 90s use similar balanced armature inserts to those used in the old telephones. > I believe Jim M0BMU claimed 2uV audio power could be heard using DLR5 > headsets in his passive mechanical SAQ receiver. As DLR5s are more > difficult to find these days I was wondering if there is anything as > sensitive, or more so, around "new". I was quite surprised at how little power was audible, around -100dBm audio tone was perceptible using the DLR No. 5s. Naturally, this required very quiet surroundings, keeping still and not breathing.... Frequencies around 1.0 - 1.5kHz had the best audibility, rather than the lower BFO pitch that tends to be preferred for CW operating. I suffer from mild tinnitus which might limit the lower threshold of my hearing; somebody with really low noise figure ears perhaps could hear lower levels. To put this in perspective, this 0.1 picowatts is well below the band noise level that would be present using a reasonably larged tuned vertical antenna for 136kHz reception., and typical CW bandwidth. Using the Electromechanical RX to receive SAQ on 17.2kHz, it is always possible to hear the QRN in the background, even though this circuit has considerable loss between antenna and headphones. At around the same time as I was working on the electromechanical RX, I made a "passive" receiver for 80m - basically an antenna tuner and filter feeding an SBL-1 diode mixer module driven by a 3.5MHz VFO, and a matching network between the mixer output and the headphones. With this gain-less direct conversion RX and a reasonably big long-wire on 80m, it was possible to hear quite a lot of amateur SSB/CW activity, even a couple of US stations on CW. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU