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[213.106.115.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cb8sm16667298wib.0.2012.01.28.00.05.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:05:08 -0800 (PST) References: <3D6129856D6944248B1B77637EE42962@JimPC> From: Roger Lapthorn X-Mailer: iPod Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: <3D6129856D6944248B1B77637EE42962@JimPC> Message-Id: <1354933D-48C4-414F-8FFB-12B188C8ED33@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:05:05 +0000 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: OT: Headphones Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:452512128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d286.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074f23ac6e7d5e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim What a most fascinating and informative reply. I had no idea that it was pos= sible to hear such weak signals "by ear". I learn something new every day.= =20 Thank you.=20 73s Roger G3XBM -- Via my iPod Touch 4g -- On 28 Jan 2012, at 00:44, "James Moritz" wrot= e: > Dear Roger, LF Group, >=20 >> Is there a "modern" (i.e. can you buy it new today?) headphone set that i= s * >> extremely* sensitive in the same way that the old DLR5 headsets were in >> terms of efficiency converting AF to sound pressure in the ear? >>=20 >=20 > The DLR No. 5 headphones are "balanced armature" types, where a small, piv= oted iron armature between the poles of an audio energised electromagnet is m= echanically coupled to a lightweight, lightly sprung diaphragm. They were i= nvented in the days when amplification was hard to achieve, so high efficien= cy headphones were very useful in increasing sensitivity. They were used a l= ot in the WWII era for "sound powered" intercomm systems, i.e. at one end th= ere was a dynamic microphone which somebody talked into, and the small signa= l generated by the microphone was connected directly to the headphones at th= e receiving end, without any intevening amplifier, so they had to be sensiti= ve. The resulting passive system was much more reliable and economical at th= at time than something using valve/tube electronics, or carbon microphones r= equiring a DC power source. When I was working on the "Electromechanical RX"= I estimated that they were 10 dB or more higher sensitivity than modern "dy= namic" headphones, which use what are basically small moving-coil loudspeake= rs, and try to optimise sound quality, often at the expense of efficiency. T= he main drawback is that they are rather "low-fi" with a restricted frequenc= y response, although fine for communications audio. >=20 > I think balanced armature transducers are still made for specialised appli= cations; sound-powered intercoms are apparently still found on warships, I b= elieve some hearing aid earpieces are balanced armature to reduce power cons= umption. Telephone handsets, from the era when they were supplied by the Pos= t Office or BT and had rotary dials, were balanced armature, although modern= electronic ones are usually "dynamic", I believe. I tried a couple of old t= elephone handset receivers, fitted into the casing of some cheap stereo head= phones, which were comparable in sensitivity to the DLR No 5 headset. Commun= ications headsets for "Clansman" military radios used into the 90s use simil= ar balanced armature inserts to those used in the old telephones. >=20 >> I believe Jim M0BMU claimed 2uV audio power could be heard using DLR5 >> headsets in his passive mechanical SAQ receiver. As DLR5s are more >> difficult to find these days I was wondering if there is anything as >> sensitive, or more so, around "new". >=20 > I was quite surprised at how little power was audible, around -100dBm audi= o tone was perceptible using the DLR No. 5s. Naturally, this required very q= uiet surroundings, keeping still and not breathing.... Frequencies around 1.= 0 - 1.5kHz had the best audibility, rather than the lower BFO pitch that ten= ds to be preferred for CW operating. I suffer from mild tinnitus which might= limit the lower threshold of my hearing; somebody with really low noise fig= ure ears perhaps could hear lower levels. To put this in perspective, this 0= .1 picowatts is well below the band noise level that would be present using a= reasonably larged tuned vertical antenna for 136kHz reception., and typical= CW bandwidth. Using the Electromechanical RX to receive SAQ on 17.2kHz, it i= s always possible to hear the QRN in the background, even though this circui= t has considerable loss between antenna and headphones. At around the same t= ime as I was working on the electromechanical RX, I made a "passive" receive= r for 80m - basically an antenna tuner and filter feeding an SBL-1 diode mix= er module driven by a 3.5MHz VFO, and a matching network between the mixer o= utput and the headphones. With this gain-less direct conversion RX and a rea= sonably big long-wire on 80m, it was possible to hear quite a lot of amateur= SSB/CW activity, even a couple of US stations on CW. >=20 > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU=20 >=20