Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C87F438000083; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RqqwX-0001Xk-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:54:37 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RqqwW-0001Xb-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:54:36 +0000 Received: from nm10-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.75]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RqqwU-0004N7-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 18:54:36 +0000 Received: from [98.138.90.50] by nm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2012 18:54:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 628886.59622.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56565 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jan 2012 18:54:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1327690467; bh=2yfWav/zxkZnMkeyBeRjFMfKB9t+6NjnVx8d5wISsjY=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kCx9TFjSyEHWhtfldg267OXGRp2chPMeaO1fcOpNXX78MdwRT1J0BySbGgSpTrVuVT4j4NQkzMa798Z0IWvbteKq78kI2AHTC8p23yi7EMCqIrw8L7okI0tlG0UYbbliG8xRTvBMq8UiIyUYtmkNTw72bFcT5/l4hgotG0/TJPQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XiZotYkBR8AgeFs/AMGmNkroMsCpCLlFibbs/PwDpPkM7kes128dHp8P9obWRjaDNHGAs6a4kPVN2R16A8v7XG00jlEXS0HoCKuywGO60NGWot9HlrH4xBIhc/JaKKGmkdCyhaKjvjwhU13eR59WgjOtuaV21P8NLhCEATyj+2I=; X-YMail-OSG: uppU7M8VM1lSeci63AsTvZsSGHOOiRyapC4mFFf09SFOYBo d86GURpMjgDLRqzhus8dvGe3tHysDfk6t4uiqw.uzcvZVxUTpERRz78gJhlB DfEdMaxzXov40arQXRj7iZudidXPQEYplufpOz52CdeMYPB1I.A4_7exo2Fr 4S82L1JyVbBl2wmyPErFeT63cV2IHu33Xtc6sO.B0cdVKAN9oizsydPKLHMs clES81Ac7y_n4a7ngPfOpOgUXMEd6KBpdhXZej2rqERb1MMriImFGBTEUvG1 wzHUH3BCu8Mi983aKkCr4v_Lwoubsb22ka27Agkbm_Zd.ycIWIylprCaBjk6 I1ET96.CaS6h85OJcc7Bp0yK_co_s.mQ1w9CiDmUlH1DL4E_ZBbC_MVEGS87 I24iL9Dbe6bNROb4MBooJi9rIqc3g8oHI0rR8wP7weuZQ4YFCsHERgAKiLQO 6to5qsLjpGnOrCq4zlnh.0o1iNpsiwT1sp03rjcnxvU1waODJLTRd4T5Oz4F fwiYch.YQ..xcCaSTuFeHdw.ub6PZl20HLv9pHteQRKgzZgogYZ8dFukk0DP etqd47R0XcOMlDYnE7JW7Mtd.Q51rzkU3a9H3vhWrdSFsObSLT_GJKXsadJC 45sh2RbFrVeiuH9nmHDD_SIqPm3MvzlglpCS96fBj7FvBeXcn9rVevOuEf8g a1v8EWUNd0mNLNqvLUE2S5ta3 Received: from [98.65.207.72] by web125901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:54:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: <3992CC59F7A14AA694628529761EC5DE@AGB> <4F1F695F.7020400@charter.net> <28E5D61E1299414C8AD335047F7EE837@White> <4F2213B0.2030107@charter.net> <4F22901C.8060503@charter.net> <7667FF6C11E54298B5CAA2280D2B436C@White> <001201ccdcf9$70fbcf60$6d01a8c0@DELL4> Message-ID: <1327690467.44701.YahooMailNeo@web125901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: Andy - KU4XR To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: <001201ccdcf9$70fbcf60$6d01a8c0@DELL4> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TINY_FONT=1.425 Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1155904834-1672057957-1327690467=:44701" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475559488:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60c94f22f3376368 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1155904834-1672057957-1327690467=:44701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My report is the same... no decodes... I wish as an after thought that I ha= d ran SpecLab also, to look for the carrier...=0Amaybe next time=0A=0A73:= =0A=A0=0AAndy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA=0ACoordinates: N: 35= =BA 43' 54" - W: 84=BA 3' 16"=0Ahttp://lwca.org/grabbers/ku4xr/=0Ahttp://ww= w.myspace.com/beaconxr=0Ahttp://ku4xr.webs.com=0Ahttp://lwca.org/community/= YaBB.pl=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "jrusgrove@comcast= .net" =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: F= riday, January 27, 2012 8:41 AM=0ASubject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s=0A= =0A=0AMarkus=0A=A0=0ANo joy here either.=0A=A0=0AJay W1VD=A0 WD2XNS=A0 WE2X= GR/2=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Markus Vester =0A>To: rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org =0A>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:50 AM=0A>Subject= : Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s=0A>=0A>=0A>Many thanks Andy, John and Dex for= looking out for my WOLF signal. The TX was running=A0without interruption = from 23 to 7 UT,=A0PEP about 0.5 W ERP.=A0=0A>=A0=0A>One thing I still don'= t trust is the continuity of the soundcard output. I guess the glitches whi= ch=A0occasionally=A0appear in QRSS=A0dashes=A0might=A0corrupt the long-term= phase-coherence=A0which is required for=A0deep=A0WOLF decoding. Will have = to look into that before the next attempt.=0A>=A0=0A>Best 73,=0A>Markus (DF= 6NM)=0A>=A0=0A>=A0=0A>From: John Andrews =0A>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012= 12:53 PM=0A>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975= Hz, 10 b/s=0A>=0A>Markus,=0A>=0A>No luck. Not a quiet night, and TA prop d= oes not seem to have recovered.=0A>=0A>John, W1TAG=0A>=0A>On 1/26/2012 10:0= 2 PM, John Andrews wrote:=0A>> Markus,=0A>>=0A>> Nothing seen as of 0300, o= ther than the usual infinite number of monkeys=0A>> typing away. Will let i= t run overnight.=0A>>=0A>> John, W1TAG=0A>>=0A>> On 1/26/2012 5:39 PM, Mark= us Vester wrote:=0A>>> WOLF ... good idea!=0A>>> My TX antenna has been pus= hed up again tonight, and I intend to howl for=0A>>> a couple of hours, sta= rting 23:00 UT at 10 b/s speed.=0A>>> As CFH is still sitting smack in the = middle of the band, I'll move close=0A>>> to the lower edge, squeezing into= a narrow HGA-sidebands gap on *135975=0A>>> Hz* (that is unless you may ha= ve other suggestions).=0A>>> Best 73,=0A>>> Markus (DF6NM)=0A>>>=0A>>> *Fro= m:* John Andrews =0A>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, Januar= y 25, 2012 3:30 AM=0A>>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A>>> *Subject:* Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?=0A= >>>=0A>>> Graham,=0A>>>=0A>>> There is no single s/n figure or specified BW= in which to measure it.=0A>>> WOLF works by building copy up over a period= of time, and assuming good=0A>>> frequency/phase stability, a half hour or= more is practical.=0A>>>=0A>>> The data rate is fairly fast, 10 b/s, with = a 960 bit message, so that a=0A>>> complete frame of data is sent in 96 sec= onds. You get three quick=0A>>> reports in the first 96 seconds, and then d= ecodes every 96 seconds=0A>>> after. Each message is 15 characters, with no= rules about callsign=0A>>> format.=0A>>>=0A>>> Tests done some years ago s= how it roughly equivalent to QRSS60 in terms=0A>>> of signal level. It does= give some clues as to whether a signal has been=0A>>> locked-in, and has t= he possibility of partial copy, unlike some "all or=0A>>> nothing" modes. F= ifteen characters in a half-hour is of course much=0A>>> faster than QRSS60= would permit. 2-way QSO's are fairly easy with some=0A>>> advance agreemen= t on what to do with the 15 characters.=0A>>>=0A>>> The downsides are the n= eed for a linear transmitter system (as this is=0A>>> PSK), receiver/transm= itter stability and frequency accuracy. It works at=0A>>> 600 meters, but i= s fairly useless at 160 meters and up.=0A>>>=0A>>> The newest version is by= DL4YHF, and may be found at:=0A>>> http://www.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//wolf/ .=0A= >>>=0A>>> Note that this version has 5 b/s and 20 b/s variations. Testing h= as=0A>>> shown that the program tends to provide copy in the same amount of= time,=0A>>> so there's no overriding advantage to either.=0A>>>=0A>>> John= , W1TAG=0A>>>=0A>>> On 1/24/2012 7:27 PM, Graham wrote:=0A>>> > WOLF DATA M= ODE S/N FIG ?=0A>>> > Long time since I used wolf , anyone have the=0A>>> >= expected decode min s/n level ?=0A>>> > and now what s/n was ref to , as c= hanges=0A>>> > may of taken place over time=0A>>> > Tnx -G.=0A>>> >=0A>>> >= =0A>>> >=0A>>> > No virus found in this incoming message.=0A>>> > Checked b= y AVG - www.avg.com =0A>>> > Version: 8.5.454 / Virus D= atabase: 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date:=0A>>> 01/23/12 19:34:00=0A>>> >=0A>>>= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> No virus found in this incoming message.=0A>>> Che= cked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A>>> Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/= 4166 - Release Date:=0A>>> 01/25/12 20:07:00=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> No v= irus found in this incoming message.=0A>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A>>= Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date: 01/25/12 2= 0:07:00=0A>>=0A>=0A> --1155904834-1672057957-1327690467=:44701 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My report is the same... no decodes... I = wish as an after thought that I had ran SpecLab also, to look for the carri= er...
maybe next time
 
73:
 
Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. USA
Coordinates: N: 35=BA= 43' 54" - W: 84=BA 3' 16"
http://lwca.org/grabbers/ku4xr/
http://www= .myspace.com/beaconxr
http://ku4xr.webs.com
http://lwca.org/community= /YaBB.pl

From:= "jrusgrove@comcast.net" <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Sent: Friday, January 2= 7, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject:= Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s

Markus
 
No joy here either.
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
----- Original Message -----
From: Markus Vester =
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:50 = AM
Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s=

Many thanks Andy, John and Dex for looking= out for my WOLF signal. The TX was runn= ing without interruption from 23 to 7 UT, PEP about 0.5 W ERP.&nb= sp;
 
One thing I still don't trust is the conti= nuity of the soundcard output. I guess the glitches which occasionally=  appear in QRSS dashes might corrupt the long-term phas= e-coherence which is required for deep WOLF decoding. Will h= ave to look into that before the next attempt.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: WOLF: 135975 Hz, 10 b/s

Markus,

No luck. Not a quiet night, and TA prop does = not seem to have recovered.

John, W1TAG

On 1/26/2012 10:02 PM= , John Andrews wrote:
> Markus,
>
> Nothing seen as of 03= 00, other than the usual infinite number of monkeys
> typing away. Wi= ll let it run overnight.
>
> John, W1TAG
>
> On 1/2= 6/2012 5:39 PM, Markus Vester wrote:
>> WOLF ... good idea!
>= ;> My TX antenna has been pushed up again tonight, and I intend to howl = for
>> a couple of hours, starting 23:00 UT at 10 b/s speed.
&g= t;> As CFH is still sitting smack in the middle of the band, I'll move c= lose
>> to the lower edge, squeezing into a narrow HGA-sidebands g= ap on *135975
>> Hz* (that is unless you may have other suggestion= s).
>> Best 73,
>> Markus (DF6NM)
>>
>>= *From:* John Andrews <mailto= :w1tag@charter.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 = 3:30 AM
>> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> *S= ubject:* Re: LF: WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?
>>
>> Graham,>>
>> There is no single s/n figure or specified BW in whi= ch to measure it.
>> WOLF works by building copy up over a period = of time, and assuming good
>> frequency/phase stability, a half ho= ur or more is practical.
>>
>> The data rate is fairly fa= st, 10 b/s, with a 960 bit message, so that a
>> complete frame of= data is sent in 96 seconds. You get three quick
>> reports in the first 96 sec= onds, and then decodes every 96 seconds
>> after. Each message is = 15 characters, with no rules about callsign
>> format.
>>=
>> Tests done some years ago show it roughly equivalent to QRSS60= in terms
>> of signal level. It does give some clues as to whethe= r a signal has been
>> locked-in, and has the possibility of parti= al copy, unlike some "all or
>> nothing" modes. Fifteen characters= in a half-hour is of course much
>> faster than QRSS60 would perm= it. 2-way QSO's are fairly easy with some
>> advance agreement on = what to do with the 15 characters.
>>
>> The downsides ar= e the need for a linear transmitter system (as this is
>> PSK), re= ceiver/transmitter stability and frequency accuracy. It works at
>>= ; 600 meters, but is fairly useless at 160 meters and up.
>>
>> The newest version is by DL4YHF, and may be fo= und at:
>> http://www.qsl.net/d/dl4yhf//wolf/ .
>>
>= ;> Note that this version has 5 b/s and 20 b/s variations. Testing has>> shown that the program tends to provide copy in the same amount = of time,
>> so there's no overriding advantage to either.
>&= gt;
>> John, W1TAG
>>
>> On 1/24/2012 7:27 PM, G= raham wrote:
>> > WOLF DATA MODE S/N FIG ?
>> > Lon= g time since I used wolf , anyone have the
>> > expected decode= min s/n level ?
>> > and now what s/n was ref to , as changes<= BR>>> > may of taken place over time
>> > Tnx -G.
&= gt;> >
>> >
>> >
>> > No virus fo= und in this incoming message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>> > Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Datab= ase: 271.1.1/4162 - Release Date:
>> 01/23/12 19:34:00
>>= >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus = found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>= ; Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date:
>&g= t; 01/25/12 20:07:00
>>
>
>
>
> No virus f= ound in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version= : 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4166 - Release Date: 01/25/12 20:07:00<= BR>>



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