Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 83E39380000A9; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:10:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhhe2-0006XR-4C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:09:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Rhhe1-0006XI-7O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:09:41 +0000 Received: from nm9-vm0.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhhe1-0007QR-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:09:41 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.183] by nm9.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.72] by tm14.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 13:09:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2012 13:09:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 411030.79994.bm@omp1033.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33511 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jan 2012 13:09:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1325509775; bh=whAKLQdhgGPDtz3vJw+ItaFPEEYfH78Kxy9X+tbRi0U=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=a6t1t0XdQrhqSJ/I9/GMyZWrhbhyCib/ViqAxKJMzsRpkeGPc0iUWxzNorK4isZgXz85ZSKNhNBYr5CGe1pu3q9Rs9EM7niu6WIuuTWbNEgXepusJnE6qM4vv5M5Ui8mSqMo4UKa5gO4qpJ3VbgE2O082iDPvDeGRxYvKLOp6Fo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XWIA/TzbllWKDpefktHuunfVM/hsbuj5drYRprcqnJt11+kywByFObqQNicJJHpQrkipbXKUny6thzowpAUbA7M6KnneXu6WG4/eLilpA3WcF0gvZd6TFRkv89EgmyPG4SokkWA7K1MkI5oLKsouJiSZdbQNdquwltFjwhIt6Ck=; X-YMail-OSG: DAnDhqkVM1kxq.6rr_ym83rcb_B5YmvbEZrgw2UqBOZfJs7 MJcJ7Mcm2mdYa9E0WMWQNqhB1ErUNY6C5ORNeYlcxSbA5Z40f9EDdQ1IV_oY XN_wn_pmOXHXjTe8x63_5onE0ozZbu4d9ooNWFEfiJJOqbH4Q93z7mg5PyW_ d3EMXcvUiN6F0hqoow3L5A7p2kHkVI5wsivzhnWTgNhoVLD9foFCLOBLaYF. 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I for one do not know who I am working=A0these days. The cal= l signs are a mystery to me so I take all calls at face value. =0A=A0=0A500= kcs has become a de facto amateur "watering hole" like 8kcs and it will now= remain that while there is interest=A0what ever the ITU (or the EU? I thin= k that should read UN) write down on paper...... there is the "Official" wo= rld and there is the real world...... I am trying to live in the real world= these days.=0A=0AHappy new year to all what ever the call sign ("official"= or otherwise) and what ever the frequency. Two way radio is the bond.=0A= =0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFrom: John Rabson = =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0ASent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:29= =0ASubject: Pan-European allocation at 500 kHz (was LF: Re: IQ2MI temp (hop= efully) QRT)=0A=0A=0AMal, =0A=0AFirst of all, according to the ITU regulati= ons there is no Amateur Service allocation around 500kHz. =A0Some administr= ations have issued permits to radio amateurs (and others) with various cond= itions.=A0=0A=0ASome of these permits do not permit two-way communication. = =A0I understand that the German authorities have issued such permits. As th= e possibility of an amateur service allocation around 500 is likely to be r= aised at the next World Radio Conference, it is unlikely that the Germans w= ill at this point go any further than they already have.=0A=0AI have no dou= bt (although I do not know) that the question of such an allocation has bee= n raised with the French authorities, but for the same reason as for German= y I would not expect any developments until the next WRC proceedings have b= een ratified.=0A=0AIf we were to have a single radio prefix for all of the = EU (by the way, the USA has several prefixes) there would need to be a cent= ral issuing authority, and frequency allocations across the EU would have t= o be harmonised. At present they are a long way from that. =A0For example, = 6 m in France has quite severe restrictions on power level and location, an= d we do not have all the microwave allocations some other countries do.=0A= =0AJohn F5VLF=0A=0A=0AOn 1 Jan 2012, at 19:10CET, mal hamilton wrote:=0A=0A= MF=0A>It is hard to understand why the big players in EU cannot arrange an = amateur radio licence on 500=0A>ie Germany, France, Italy=A0=0A=0AMaybe the= re should only be one EU radio licence prefix for all EU in the Euro zone l= ike the USA --474782128-2105364629-1325509774=:33499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
Hi all
 
This a plea not to mess around with the Amateur = licence any more. I for one do not know who I am working these days. T= he call signs are a mystery to me so I take all calls at face va= lue.
 
500kcs has become a de facto amateur "watering hole" like 8kcs and it wi= ll now remain that while there is interest what ever the ITU (or the E= U? I think that should read UN) write down on paper...... there is the "Off= icial" world and there is the real world...... I am trying to live in the r= eal world these days.

Happy new year to all = what ever the call sign ("official" or otherwise) and what ever the frequen= cy. Two way radio is the bond.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From:= John Rabson <john.rabson@numeo.fr>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012, 10:29<= BR>Subject: Pan-European al= location at 500 kHz (was LF: Re: IQ2MI temp (hopefully) QRT)

Mal,=20

First of all, according to the ITU regulations there is no Amateur Ser= vice allocation around 500kHz.  Some administrations have issued permi= ts to radio amateurs (and others) with various conditions. 

Some of these permits do not permit two-way communication.  I und= erstand that the German authorities have issued such permits. As the possib= ility of an amateur service allocation around 500 is likely to be raised at= the next World Radio Conference, it is unlikely that the Germans will at t= his point go any further than they already have.

I have no doubt (although I do not know) that the question of such an = allocation has been raised with the French authorities, but for the same re= ason as for Germany I would not expect any developments until the next WRC = proceedings have been ratified.

If we were to have a single radio prefix for all of the EU (by the way= , the USA has several prefixes) there would need to be a central issuing au= thority, and frequency allocations across the EU would have to be harmonise= d. At present they are a long way from that.  For example, 6 m in Fran= ce has quite severe restrictions on power level and location, and we do not= have all the microwave allocations some other countries do.

John F5VLF

On 1 Jan 2012, at 19:10CET, mal hamilton wrote:

MF
It is hard t= o understand why the big players in EU cannot arrange an amateur radio lice= nce on 500
ie Germany, = France, Italy
 

Maybe there should only be one EU radio licence pref= ix for all EU in the Euro zone like the USA=20



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