Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 699FC38000091; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RnfJf-0002h7-87 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:53:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RnfJd-0002gy-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:53:17 +0000 Received: from thalia-smout.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RnfJb-0000QJ-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 23:53:17 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from ignis-smin.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.11]) by thalia-smout.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LY0002G0QCLXBC0@thalia-smout.broadpark.no> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:53:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from RADIO1 ([84.48.211.154]) by ignis-smin.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTP id <0LY000K21QCHPC80@ignis-smin.broadpark.no> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:53:09 +0100 (CET) From: Steinar Aanesland To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 00:53:05 +0100 Message-id: <014e01ccd63c$528d3730$f7a7a590$@broadpark.no> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-index: AczWPEScjJsywI+lSVSXRrGrwRCiag== Content-language: no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_nq8ajL6hfLBVokeqiXhimw)" Subject: LF: FW: Just how good is OPERA? X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-VSS-INFO: 5400.1158/77835 X-AOL-VSS-CODE: clean X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:403905024:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40824f175bcd2d49 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multipart message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_nq8ajL6hfLBVokeqiXhimw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MT1WakqgEGIrOTLESb7dYw)" --Boundary_(ID_MT1WakqgEGIrOTLESb7dYw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here is another interesting mail from Murray La5vna From: knightsqrss-bounces@cnts.be [mailto:knightsqrss-bounces@cnts.be] On Behalf Of Murray Greenman Sent: 18. januar 2012 01:41 To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com Cc: knightsqrss@cnts.be Subject: [Knightsqrss] Just how good is OPERA? Have you been wondering just how good Opera is? I thought I'd run a careful test, comparing with MEPT_JT (WSPR). There is much more to be learned than I can present here, as from my observations the modes seem to behave differently on different paths. However, I can present here the results of a careful two-hour study west to east, mid-evening on 30m over a 2200km range. I transmitted both modes, WSPR followed by OPERA2. Each occupies about two minutes, and the baud rates are similar. The transmission pairs were repeated every 10 minutes. The frequencies were chosen to satisfy OPERA and WSPR software running on the same computer from the same receiver. The transmitter chain, the computer model and even the software was identical for both modes - the only change was that the synthesizer was driven from different scripts on the two different computers (I swapped modes by manually swapping USB cables). The transmitter was a DG8SAQ Si570 synthesizer driving a 74HC240 buffer chip running at 6V, giving 100mW output. If you look at the attached results, you will see that over the two hour duration of the test, every single WSPR transmission (100%) resulted in a spot from VK2DDI. In that time the same number of OPERA2 transmissions were made, and only 3 of these were successfully received (25%). It is also obvious that the reported SNR is somewhat lower for the OPERA2 spots. Is this because the mean transmitted power power in an ASK mode is halved? I would therefore expect on average only 3dB lower than WSPR. It should be stressed that these results relate to just the one path, and just one evening. Another listener, ZL2AFP, on a 500km north-south path, received more OP2 spots than WSPR spots. There is much yet to learn about (for example) the behaviour of this mode under mid-latitude NVIS conditions. I encourage you to run your own tests under other conditions, but be careful to run identical setups for each mode. 73, Murray ZL1BPU/ZL1EE --Boundary_(ID_MT1WakqgEGIrOTLESb7dYw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Here is another interesting mail from Murray

 

La5vna

 

From: knightsqrss-bounces@cnts.be = [mailto:knightsqrss-bounces@cnts.be] On Behalf Of Murray = Greenman

Sent: 18. januar 2012 01:41

To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com

Cc: knightsqrss@cnts.be

Subject: [Knightsqrss] Just how good is = OPERA?

 

Have you been wondering just how good Opera is? I thought I'd run a = careful test, comparing with MEPT_JT (WSPR).

There is much more to be learned than I can present here, as from my = observations the modes seem to behave differently on different paths. = However, I can present here the results of a careful two-hour study west = to east, mid-evening on 30m over a 2200km range.

I transmitted both modes, WSPR followed by OPERA2. Each occupies = about two minutes, and the baud rates are similar. The transmission = pairs were repeated every 10 minutes. The frequencies were chosen to = satisfy OPERA and WSPR software running on the same computer from the = same receiver.

The transmitter chain, the computer model and even the software was = identical for both modes - the only change was that the synthesizer was = driven from different scripts on the two different computers (I swapped = modes by manually swapping USB cables). The transmitter was a DG8SAQ = Si570 synthesizer driving a 74HC240 buffer chip running at 6V, giving = 100mW output.

If you look at the attached results, you will see that over the two = hour duration of the test, every single WSPR transmission (100%) = resulted in a spot from VK2DDI. In that time the same number of OPERA2 = transmissions were made, and only 3 of these were successfully received = (25%).

It is also obvious that the reported SNR is somewhat lower for the = OPERA2 spots. Is this because the mean transmitted power power in an ASK = mode is halved? I would therefore expect on average only 3dB lower than = WSPR.

It should be stressed that these results relate to just the one path, = and just one evening. Another listener, ZL2AFP, on a 500km north-south = path, received more OP2 spots than WSPR spots. There is much yet to = learn about (for example) the behaviour of this mode under mid-latitude = NVIS conditions.

I encourage you to run your own tests under other conditions, but be = careful to run identical setups for each mode.

73,

Murray ZL1BPU/ZL1EE

 

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