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(VPS 120112-0, 12/01/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Tuning inductance for 137kHz receive. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454390432:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54f0ed03a6090 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Martin here is a relatively quick and dirty way of making a largish variable inductor. http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/lfaecoil.htm varying the pie spacing changes the inductance However for recieve only switch you sub' box to the next biggest value and connect a multigang variable cap in series to "tuneout" the excess (I use a 2 gang 500pF) You can easily find the tune as the noise peaks in the middle of the swing somewhere. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Evans" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:02 AM Subject: Re: LF: Tuning inductance for 137kHz receive. > Morning, Pete. > > Thanks for this. > > Yes, this is what I should do. My problem is that I get carried away - I > begin by thinking of making a variometer - then I decide that it *must* be > the biggest one ever - so I search for a *huge* former - which I can't > find - and so it goes. > > Pathetic really. > > Maybe my resolution for 2012 should be to stop daydreaming and actually *do* > something! > > Martin GW3UCJ. > > ######################################## > > Just make a variometer two inductors one inside the other like piston and > cylinder and adjust in and out to resonance (I think this design is the > simplest form of variometer mechanically). I use a couple of plastic paint > buckets, mine are 200mm diameter. 3mH looks about right for the antenna > described but fine inductance adjustment is necessary and it is best to get > as high a 'Q' as you can. The band is very narrow and 'Q' helps reduce out > of band high power signals. I am in fact describing my TX setup the primary > inductor is a large 600mm diameter coil tapped. All my inductors are air > cored. > > For RX you can tune the inductor with a large variable capacitor strapped > across because there are no flash over issues. It is quite simple to make > these tuning coils from scratch a lot of wire though, but I would recommend > it. > > Try Rick Strobbe ON7YD's site highly recommended > http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#Introduction > > Hope this helps. > > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > >