Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 007913800009E for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RsGg3-0001Qd-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:35:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RsGg3-0001QU-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:35:27 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RsGg1-0000rd-5c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:35:27 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EALkXKE9cHYBK/2dsb2JhbABDrl+BBoFtBQEBBQgBAQNJAiwBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBDodgp1yRNIs7DQEJGAsZAYQRCAEEBCUBgzEEgluFMoU4mi8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,596,1320624000"; d="scan'208,217";a="368583290" Received: from host-92-29-128-74.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.128.74]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2012 16:35:18 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01cce036$50df0270$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4F27D61D.1080401@talktalk.net> <002f01cce011$bb769b40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F27DEDD.4010101@talktalk.net> <001501cce028$96bfaf00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F281440.60708@talktalk.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:35:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01CCE036.50787870" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464769088:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4f283040517d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CCE036.50787870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes All the WORK is taking place at my end !!!!!!!!!! with a proper 500 khz = antenna and RX fit for purpose. g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: qrss=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge So what we need now is someone who says, "I get de-codes of many = stations using OPERA but never G3ZJO, here is a screen shot of the = Phantom QRS3".=20 There have been some land marks in the last couple of days Mal, you = have seen my signal in 2 Modes. 73 Eddie On 31/01/2012 14:57, mal hamilton wrote:=20 Eddie Does FANT0M ring a bell !!!!!!!!!!!!! QRS 3 F A N T (ZERO) M mal/g3ke ----- Original Message -----=20 From: qrss=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA Challenge Great stuff Mal I don't use the OPERA waterfall always, I use SpecLab in QRS3 = settings. Of course if we use Speclab to reduce the bandwidth to observe = the QRS3 we are moving the goal posts as in Marcus' example and we must = narrow the RX bandwidth to feed the OPERA decoder to compensate. However my previous tests reveal that with all the armoury = available the QRS3 boys do not read the signal. **************** THERE IS A PHANTOM IN THE OPERA STILL TO BE = REVEALED ******************** On 31/01/2012 12:13, mal hamilton wrote:=20 For a start I am not always in the shack to observe received = signals but this morning I did observe your on/off elements then a = decode. Normally I use my E/W LOOP for EU reception and reports and in = this case I do not hear/see N/S ie cannot see or decode ur signal. I did however switch to the inv L antenna to compare signals and = did get a decode on you.=20 When I get time I will have a look at your QRS3 properly on = Speclab g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: qrss=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: LF: QRS3-OPERA Challenge The QRS3 Opera challenge has been running for almost 24 Hours = now, continuously, I initially proposed it as a one shot operation. Last night I asked G3XIZ to read my Phantom QRS3 to ensure = that it is readable and at S6 it certainly was. Many stations have decoded my OPERA during the period. NO ONE = except XIZ has reported the QRS3. OPERA (and by default from previous tests WSPR) has won hands = down. G3KEV has received my signal several times :- 11:11 500 = G3ZJO de G3KEV Op4 229 km -27 dB in SCARBOROUGH .and observed at least once :- G3ZJO decoded and stopped at 1057 z TRACE visible during = transmission. I happened to be in the shack to observe Please can we keep this practical test on a sensible technical = level. 73 Eddie G3ZJO ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01CCE036.50787870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes
All the WORK is taking place at my end = !!!!!!!!!! with a=20 proper 500 khz antenna and RX fit for purpose.
 
g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 qrss
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 = 4:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRS3-OPERA = Challenge

So what we need now is someone who says, "I get = de-codes of=20 many stations using OPERA but never G3ZJO, here is a screen shot of = the=20 Phantom QRS3".

There have been some land marks in the last = couple of=20 days Mal, you have seen my signal in 2 Modes.

73 = Eddie

On=20 31/01/2012 14:57, mal hamilton wrote:=20
Eddie
Does FANT0M ring a bell !!!!!!!!!!!!! QRS=20 3   F A N T (ZERO) M
mal/g3ke

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 qrss
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, = 2012 12:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: = QRS3-OPERA=20 Challenge

Great stuff Mal

I don't use the OPERA = waterfall=20 always, I use SpecLab in QRS3 settings. Of course if we use = Speclab to=20 reduce the bandwidth to observe the QRS3 we are moving the goal = posts as=20 in Marcus' example and we must narrow the RX bandwidth to feed the = OPERA=20 decoder to compensate.

However my previous tests reveal = that with=20 all the armoury available the QRS3 boys do not read the=20 signal.

**************** THERE IS A PHANTOM IN THE = OPERA=20 STILL TO BE REVEALED ********************


On=20 31/01/2012 12:13, mal hamilton wrote:=20
For a start I am not always in the shack = to=20 observe received signals but this morning I did observe your = on/off=20 elements then a decode.
Normally I use my E/W LOOP for EU = reception and=20 reports and in this case I do not hear/see N/S ie cannot see or = decode=20 ur signal.
I did however switch to the inv L = antenna to=20 compare signals and did get a decode on you.
When I get time I will have a look = at your=20 QRS3 properly on Speclab
g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 qrss
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
Sent: Tuesday, January = 31, 2012=20 11:53 AM
Subject: LF: QRS3-OPERA = Challenge

The QRS3 Opera challenge has been running for = almost 24=20 Hours now, continuously, I initially proposed it as a one shot = operation.

Last night I asked G3XIZ to read my Phantom = QRS3 to=20 ensure that it is readable and at S6 it certainly = was.

Many=20 stations have decoded my OPERA during the period. NO ONE = except XIZ=20 has reported the QRS3.

OPERA (and by default from = previous=20 tests WSPR) has won hands down.

G3KEV has received my = signal=20 several times :- 11:11    500 G3ZJO de G3KEV = Op4 229 km=20 -27 dB in SCARBOROUGH

.and observed at least once = :-
G3ZJO decoded and = stopped=20 at 1057 z TRACE visible during transmission. I happened to = be in the=20 shack to observe
Please can we keep this = practical=20 test on a sensible technical level.

73 Eddie=20 = G3ZJO


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