Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0E1673800009D; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RcEsD-0005hM-Vw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:25:45 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RcEsD-0005hD-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:25:45 +0000 Received: from rhcavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.130] helo=cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RcEsB-0007wi-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:25:45 +0000 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 61EC1128047.A9B0F X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EC1128047 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:25:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n2.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.12]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E059F3862 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:25:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N2.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.12]) with mapi; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:25:35 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:25:34 +0100 Thread-Topic: Re: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic Thread-Index: Acy9dgXP3iV7VtLISqOv0ABZSQSOgAAAGv0A Message-ID: References: <033201ccbcab$5c5fe640$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <000901ccbcc4$42768fe0$c763afa0$@com> <4EECC1E8.4000806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002c01ccbd6f$572761c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <39D91133A64A480596FBAA4395D85812@JimPC>,<004901ccbd75$b201afa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <004901ccbd75$b201afa0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:455781696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d74eedcded5c3e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, Jim, all, maybe the clue is in the filter used by Stefan. A bridged amplifier as used by Stefan is very flexible towards the load res= isance, anything between 10 and 100 Ohm will probably give almost the same = output power. But a traditional lowpass filter (Pi or T type) is much less flexible, movi= ng axay from the impedance it is designed for will result in addidional los= ses. The parallel / serial resonance filter as Stefan uses is much more flexible= and will also do very well in the 10-100 Ohm range. So any impedance match= ing may be not needed. Disadvantage of this filter is the far less attenuation of the harmonics co= mpared to a Pi ot T lowpass filter with the same number of inductors. I est= imate a 3rd harmonic attenuation of 25-35dB (depending on the load impedanc= e) while a 7th order LPF easily reaches 60dB. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens mal hamilton [g3kevmal@talktalk.net] Verzonden: zondag 18 december 2011 12:10 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic Tnx Jim That explains it, by adjusting the number of secondary turns in series with the main coill a match can be found. 73 Merry Xmas and HNY. You have not been active for some time expect you are busy at work holding the nation together !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > I can see you resonate your 3mH coild with a motor driven variometer bu= t > > how > > do you match this to exactly 50 ohmz for a SWR of 1:1 to the TX > > I can see your coil and transformer secondary are in series to earth but > > no > > adjustment for matching. > > Essentially the same arrangement is in use here. The transformer ratio is > adjusted to match the antenna resistance to 50ohms. > > A Q of 1000 is typical for a coil of this size wound using Litz wire. You > might increase that somewhat by optimising length, diameter, winding pitc= h > etc. For something big like the Balboa loading coil in Alex's mail, Q can be > considerably higher - Watt's "VLF Engineering" has data on this particula= r > antenna system - the coil resistance at 25kHz is about 0.06ohms, and the > reactance 225ohms, making the Q about 3800 - it might be higher at 136k, > since reactance often increases faster than loss resistance as the frequency > goes up. Incidentally, I estimate L of the main loading coil about 1.3mH, so > GW0EZY would need the variometer in series as well ;-) > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > >=