Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3EA893800008B; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Re37O-00031o-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:16:54 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Re37N-00031f-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:16:53 +0000 Received: from nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Re37M-0008Mq-2c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:16:53 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.198] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 11:16:46 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.204] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 11:16:46 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Dec 2011 11:16:46 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 438273.57693.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 26538 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2011 11:16:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=vfzUJhPJfzG7xR308XbIttXVwz/GVF5urWoELLpCWeZScXoGFFWxBKyqZuVJDPkE/S7+25Hg2mDgva1bjjnz080gX/4PNLsSPaKvGfpqTPXh7SvtmZevNa00fqBY08HVZIAUbCfp7u//YcHG7jTK+QntQxZLhXFli/U+xcwJMkQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1324639006; bh=TTtETpwSQMoSTEh4rwUwLr7vOmbpXNVsPqoXWPX2wXA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xp/8YfBvfDaFCH3C3JW2/wDyNNuDNVYZczxjw+bsJYVgV92sV1i9G0rK9hAiZkKq+ZErP9MmPnLpfrirVIejCd0+HqEHhkk7gtCNdJsIJixJ6nBmVqP7F7vPdPnFm0g0Hv3y1/gxV7bIkMerNDw+1UlyNUiWzJvK50tCcz6d5i8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: rvLZEdkVM1l.i_H3TigZJeeenED16jT1TyecidiuTPCQ8oH Ucx9QQXAd5GBIW31nKLI7UwnFY0y7Z_qJM7iBOfGziqAPdrNJbe8QZ_dANjW Txoqq0lUbKgg053_k5PgbWpuYw1X0SOHtw0tjq9bOZ2Lzs9OacHE_7.tswXl ivrSxpyvvRGJjbic34uE77gMfYAFfkla5pleWgo1R00HG8h42Z8jC3TYK9aP mIx1QevY6MMOz1sTFf3BEjUUCGTvOR5o2D_GkqTw69KdKUJqJ2Ju.l7zXjfl CwsuvlxJPaBBQDuIsMtuzMSPSSkvNmj_3k68uXkPSMJ05LyOZSyGiraxRu11 76AXLul7rKy0TSXzDMZ0oqZYIKHKIqWhQNC4_TIDCe0K16SOxxiFshhFDv6Z X5lnUwncG.2iA5M4M6IE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.135.148.191 with login) by smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2011 11:16:46 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <805AC05E834C4F7DA019C36A04013479@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4EF3689B.1030902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4EF3689B.1030902@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:17:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Automatic Variometer adjustment at DK7FC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:464757152:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d003.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d84ef4636b4a3f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, That is a nice simple circuit - I may well try something very similar at my QTH over the Christmas holiday, if time allows... I suppose one advantage of a passive, "signal powered" phase detector for this scheme is that the phase detector output automatically becomes zero when the transmit signal is not present, which will prevent unwanted tuner operation on receive. As well as the BAT42 diodes providing a dead zone in servo operation close to the resonance point, I guess the inertia of the motor and gearbox will produce some hysteresis, moving the variometer to a very slightly over-adjusted position after the motor drive is removed, which will also help to prevent the system continuously searching around the correct tuning point. I expect one can optimise the resistor in series with the motor, as well as the amplifier gain, to get the best operation of this feature. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU