Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AC38938000092; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 05:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RcERg-0005Dz-6b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:58:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RcERf-0005Dq-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:58:19 +0000 Received: from nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RcERe-0007dB-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:58:19 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.198] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2011 10:58:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2011 10:58:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Dec 2011 10:58:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 476750.89699.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 82560 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2011 10:58:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=HHhh4e4aOq1nNHtgwkn5GVYWNygxuyVZ0c+0llyZAuoQCLpnQqVZlvk2IGcc63oxmvl1G9gcmrz6cdz0CJZfYFLYjlCDY2V5ugEmgFtCDncHwO18D81nrLIVciCzVv6M0vBgJndpAUQa67UHSacLTpz2wpsChUGiepoEnVBK1Pk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1324205892; bh=UQ5U9wzqAtgL97efL+X0plsTqLKZt5yMtLUGLcclwcc=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Gx8JbmWzeWCOOd9TXeHlil0P38BcNJPOP+ism/aC4wLZ6rlq02jqJtRmrWPGR5FIoYFSoSe5BVqByOCp4r383+fRSqdh/J0ObW0Rps2o/zOc0TcIgHvpgxLXpstK1qQi6nu5vmjfGU4rvfTcVib7TjmrV9ejcLXR6lJl52sFW2Y= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: D31MCNEVM1nq718A7ZcwcC3YCY9_aCS451PskVxMWt6Bo4W qALcbEawsVOv02VI1yj.fysjwwgWWQ17xrD2iSZJVZZDy1hFqDmdT2xLPKdq p8b7u0y6HeflQB7mh8VlEJsvoFcWS2W5d5cEw3ljeu8P3haqsfFayfcv.KbA nsVO2wNKWfrS_hYiwQJNU2GaFZDdEcyvqpfMj2BC01J.koIlD6yjC59wduNq awX9iyH5n9TS1wJC30SFES1MHA77WAmjkha74dvladOlkvBc6WpMVnromak6 KjNKvQ9bGrKwdZDq9EXVdExxsmqDWy28A0ogYgogy3eosDvJ90CT3grdGnux pDnrExNVVAaPAYpnDDllZtKswceH7Wkm7HkY6g3ywk5fzaKlK3WGOApl9U3Q v5Ut8cjjM7yy1T.Zk3g-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.183.181.71 with login) by smtp827.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 02:58:12 -0800 PST Message-ID: <39D91133A64A480596FBAA4395D85812@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <033201ccbcab$5c5fe640$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <000901ccbcc4$42768fe0$c763afa0$@com> <4EECC1E8.4000806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002c01ccbd6f$572761c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <002c01ccbd6f$572761c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:58:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473508160:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d281.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074eedc7744b6a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, LF Group, > I can see you resonate your 3mH coild with a motor driven variometer but > how > do you match this to exactly 50 ohmz for a SWR of 1:1 to the TX > I can see your coil and transformer secondary are in series to earth but > no > adjustment for matching. Essentially the same arrangement is in use here. The transformer ratio is adjusted to match the antenna resistance to 50ohms. A Q of 1000 is typical for a coil of this size wound using Litz wire. You might increase that somewhat by optimising length, diameter, winding pitch etc. For something big like the Balboa loading coil in Alex's mail, Q can be considerably higher - Watt's "VLF Engineering" has data on this particular antenna system - the coil resistance at 25kHz is about 0.06ohms, and the reactance 225ohms, making the Q about 3800 - it might be higher at 136k, since reactance often increases faster than loss resistance as the frequency goes up. Incidentally, I estimate L of the main loading coil about 1.3mH, so GW0EZY would need the variometer in series as well ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU