Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 105D93800008D; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RcJBz-0006u3-N0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:02:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RcJBz-0006tu-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:02:27 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RcJBx-0001Gg-Tn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:02:27 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMBAGQN7k5cF/yY/2dsb2JhbABDmw2PHIEvgQaBbQUBAQQBCAEBA0kCJgYBAQMFAgEDEQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2kCtlaIaoMaBIgDhQEpAZl+ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,371,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="18983144" Received: from host-92-23-252-152.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.252.152]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 16:02:19 +0000 Message-ID: <007901ccbd9e$69fe2ed0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <033201ccbcab$5c5fe640$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <000901ccbcc4$42768fe0$c763afa0$@com> <4EECC1E8.4000806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002c01ccbd6f$572761c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <39D91133A64A480596FBAA4395D85812@JimPC> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:02:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:492569696:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4eee0ec04548 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim es Co The highest Q coils I have seen are self supporting encased in a helium container and the Q specified was only in a few hundred. What sort of coil construction yields 4000 and above ? I have yet to encounter such a specimen mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:58 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: TX system at DK7FC, schematic > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > I can see you resonate your 3mH coild with a motor driven variometer but > > how > > do you match this to exactly 50 ohmz for a SWR of 1:1 to the TX > > I can see your coil and transformer secondary are in series to earth but > > no > > adjustment for matching. > > Essentially the same arrangement is in use here. The transformer ratio is > adjusted to match the antenna resistance to 50ohms. > > A Q of 1000 is typical for a coil of this size wound using Litz wire. You > might increase that somewhat by optimising length, diameter, winding pitch > etc. For something big like the Balboa loading coil in Alex's mail, Q can be > considerably higher - Watt's "VLF Engineering" has data on this particular > antenna system - the coil resistance at 25kHz is about 0.06ohms, and the > reactance 225ohms, making the Q about 3800 - it might be higher at 136k, > since reactance often increases faster than loss resistance as the frequency > goes up. Incidentally, I estimate L of the main loading coil about 1.3mH, so > GW0EZY would need the variometer in series as well ;-) > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > >