Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2F57138000094; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RbeJn-0006D3-33 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:23:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RbeJm-0006Cq-By for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:23:46 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RbeJk-0004rJ-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:23:46 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IDVgFM/FZte1XahvQjl0KsZGyuCOFEC/71ioPEq4+VMxWmArlhvTA/hAWYKPl6sR; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.39.143] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1RbeJN-0008RB-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: <005901ccbc30$7b9de820$8f27f004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <9147461.1324046122200.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:22:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609482ae13c16aa78a3c7ece333a17087613ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.39.143 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Wellbrook Loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396581920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d64eeba8f84038 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > > A very interesting circuit concept - I hadn't heard the term > "augmentation" before. (It looks to have something in common - and > completely turned upside down - with the bootstrapping technique used > to increase the input resistance of emitter follower stages) > > But, looking at the circuit of the preamp in Figure 6, I'm wondering > if, instead of what is virtually two independent input stages, with > their own separate transformers, you considered a differential > push-pull feedback as a single entity. Have a centre tapped > secondary in the bases (with the centre tap to AC ground), but with > the primary connected between the two emitters, ie directly across the > loop input. > > The two input transistors now operate in true differential mode, > rather than as mostly-independent amplifier stages, and with only one > feedback transformer, complexity and wire losses are reduced. This > will give even more decoupling of the loop from ground. > That results in far higher distortion as the emitter signal voltages are not symmetrical, and you cannot force them to be. Chris Trask N7ZWY / WDX3HLB Senior Member IEEE http://www.home.earthlink.net/~christrask/