Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 42564380000A6; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RdOY6-0001oQ-T0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RdOY6-0001oH-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:57:46 +0000 Received: from out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.245]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RdOY4-0007J1-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:57:46 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEBAEkB8k5cHYlj/2dsb2JhbABDiUqReY5mgXCBBoFtBQEBBQgBAQMlASMCDh4BAQMFAgEDEQQBAQEJJRQBBAgSBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHa7dcjA8EiASFASkBkj+HQw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,388,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="500651505" Received: from host-92-29-137-99.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.137.99]) by out1.ip09ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2011 15:57:38 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01ccbff9$426c2f90$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002701ccbf2c$961a3d30$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><001b01ccbf47$caa361b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4EF128FA.30001@gmail.com><000f01ccbfc0$412f59b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf><4EF1EC60.3010900@gmail.com><000f01ccbfef$75078da0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:57:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:428498816:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064ef202330a09 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Warren As far as I know he was using H/B tube amplifier with a vy elaborate antenna system consisting of several high towers. The main tower was ground insulated and fed at the base the others were displaced across some fields carrying the top loading wires. There will be others that remember him at the time but it would have been longer than 8 years ago I do not have my original 137 permit handy but it all started in the UK about 15 years ago and I have been active ever since then plus the more recent 500 Khz band. It was all CW in the beginning with having a QSO in mind when active. The norm was to TX on the 137 band and QSX on HF because apart from a few EU countries that gradually got going there was no USA permits at the time. There was some QRS QSO'S taking place on the band and this gradually became popular especially with the QRP stations that had limited range on CW A lot of stn around EU that ultimately became active have now gone qrt. The band was humming at one time and I have worked over 35 countries on CW. Nearly every night that I was active in those days and propagation was reasonable I had XBAND QSO'S TA style.ie East coast USA es Canada Like I have said before the procedure these days has completely changed with the majority using BEACON mode and QSL via Email. There is no substitute for the real thing, Transmitting and getting an immediate reply either on a LF frequency or xband in my case 7033 Khz Even local QSO'S that now take place between neighbours around EU are in QRS mode which is pointless especially when the signals are audible or should be. It takes so long to have a QSO whereas in CW it takes only a few minutes or longer if you want to ragchew. Some attempt to ragchew in QRS and it is pitiful to watch !! Another point that I would make is about antennas. Currently the majority favour micro antennas for receiving and although these are satisfactory for slow QRS observations at qrs 60 - 6000 they are not up to the job of capturing hand sent CW signals at amateur radio powers, so CW QSO'S are rare leaving one no alternative but to use QRS, this is why so many have now gone QRT on LF and gone back to HF. I have struck a comprimise of using QRS 1 - 10 normally and QRS30 when requested but no slower. This is more or less my observations about what has and is now going on on LF 73 es Merry Xmas de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO Mal, What was MM0ALM running (TX/ant) ? I have been active about 8 years and have never seen him mentioned before. -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:47 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > I think you are talking about QRS I am talking CW, Did u ever listen on CW? > MM0ALM was the strongest signal from anywhere world wide at the time > obviously Dex you were not around on LF at the time or on at the wrong time. > You missed all the fun and I am going back as far as 12 years ago and in > between but not in recent years > > > mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO > > >> I can't find any record of ever receiving MMØALM or EIØCF. The >> strongest 137 khz signals that I can find record of listed in order are >> CT1DRP, G3AQC, G3LDO and MØBMU. >> >> Dex >> >> mal hamilton wrote: >> > Dex >> > Maybe not at ur QTH but certainly around the Boston area and Canada some >> > years back. MM0ALM was the strongest signal from the UK and at that time >> > signals from the rest of EU were generally weak. EI0CF was also a strong >> > signal in the USA. Both are now QRT on LF and I only come on at selected >> > times in QSO mode. After a few calls if no one replies I QRT. >> > Not interested here in pumping out Beacon mode 24/7 in the hope of a QSL >> > EMAIL from Bandjudestrahta >> > Merry Xmas >> > de mal/g3kev >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:31 AM >> > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Fw: TA CONDX/QSO >> > >> > >> > >> >> No DX 2200 meter signal has every been audible at this location. I've >> >> been at this ever since the first TA crossing by G3AQC and MØBMU. And >> >> I've got the award to prove it :) >> >> >> >> Dex >> >> >> >> mal hamilton wrote: >> >> >> >>> ps >> >>> >> >>> MM0ALM was a strong audible signal in those days in the USA >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> > >