Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-md03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 21DC43800009E; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:44:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RO9N9-0001gm-CO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RO9N8-0001gd-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:26 +0000 Received: from mail-gx0-f171.google.com ([209.85.161.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RO9N6-0001eA-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:26 +0000 Received: by ggnr5 with SMTP id r5so2586462ggn.16 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:43:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JStH24sr9MeIbRIxEgaJnMREnf5gnonSDfg9udTAoV8=; b=BSb+MzCYi4N0IPt7FaaQv/sOHq+fHMlbqVGug9FswVNtO77Hl8E6w798eSQ4DcRVHa Ueuxjh4dU4HOZh8EXLnBKmpl9z6mUzKNfjzlX4FYWHDqHWvyhum6XKlnlkIs6YRJsBIx Vp+EAY0zXlDAmteWVT9GtjmNV3rh5rqcKynM0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.65.135 with SMTP id x7mr5936880pbs.5.1320849797165; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 06:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.49.230 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:43:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBA76AC.3090906@charter.net> References: <4EBA76AC.3090906@charter.net> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Radio 4 Long Wave to close.... (soon?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:356052128:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m005.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60574eba91c07253 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi John, The point is that they are starting from a position of "Analog modulation is rubbish, and anything below 100MHz is total rubbish, what can we say to justify a preordained decision?" Their religion is that only digital has value, what's more, many (most?) people get a digital service through a paid subscription model, either through an ISP or a cell phone provider. (I realize that there is digital over the air but that seems a small minority at least in this country.) I believe they (the BBC as well as others) would love to ween the public off of broadcast in the traditional sense and get the public to pay for the service through a digital provider, Currently the BBC gets its revenue through 'license fees', switching to a model that collects taxes on ISPs and cell providers would muddy the waters enough and people would think (wrongly) that eliminating the license fee was some kind of tax break when in fact the revenue stream would be lumped in with a general tax on data service providers. Had the BBC started from a position of "Radio 4 is a valuable service, what can we do to maintain it at reasonable cost?" a different solution would be reached. They could alter their acquisition model to make it look more a commercial broadcaster, e.g. buy 2 off the shelf transmitters (1 as a spare), some additional spare parts and have a service/maintenance contract,probably for less than 1 million GBP. What hurts most is that they take the public for complete idiots and think that they will buy all the rubbish stories that they have invented. (We've forgotten how to make valves, faulty valves send a 'power wave' up the tower etc. etc.) That's my rant for today. --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:48 AM, John Andrews wrote: > Warren, > >> "Building a new long-wave transmitter for Radio 4 would cost "many >> millions of pounds" >> Many millions ? I doubt that they sought a quote! > > They may not have, but I'm not entirely surprised by that off-the-cuff > estimate. The Beeb would likely set up specifications requiring a custom > design. As has been pointed out, that design might include standard modul= es > from a manufacturer like Harris, but Auntie would set up specs that requi= re > considerable engineering and testing expenses. > > And it doesn't end there. There would be contracted costs for training at > the manufacturer's plant and on-site in the U.K. They would, of course, n= ot > just be training one guy... > > There's also the issue of spare parts. No tubes, obviously, but quantitie= s > of boards, modules, big RF components and power supply stuff. Not cheap. > > Little of this would apply to U.S. commercial broadcasters, but the BBC h= as > somewhat different procurement systems. > > John, W1TAG > >