Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AA99D380000A5; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLfZr-0004jH-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:30:19 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLfZq-0004j8-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:30:18 +0000 Received: from mail-vx0-f171.google.com ([209.85.220.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLfZo-0002Yc-AD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:30:18 +0000 Received: by vcbfo13 with SMTP id fo13so739071vcb.16 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:30:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9pUtEtv1qOdR91IIHYZkXLylzLLh783p6E04doU+G50=; b=F58mpM8qxHF2lWV9y5xER637K0Wfi5atZIdGSU/n0KPNhYP8zTpw+2ImRPmyK2DvRF hMyVYrLLejVpsZm/JH+myQr3Mz1oVdDs6V9m74cYuI7LS+aFsoO4eXDbZLxteKtfNttv 4qNn7WqOqCAmI6fF2mophYU8FNl39fLThnZIA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.38.169 with SMTP id h9mr6317349pbk.113.1320258609596; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.64.106 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:30:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003801cc9982$a3f0d790$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> References: <002301cc997d$217d8e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <003801cc9982$a3f0d790$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 14:30:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486109280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074eb18c9930a6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Mal, I know some hams here that seem interested in 500kHz but when they find out the ARRL experimental license is for 20W ERP CW, PSK and WSPR on a total band of 27kHz they lose interest. I image that even fewer will be interested in 5W and 8 kHz --=20 73 Warren K2ORS =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:08 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > Warren > At the present time it is a Bodge anyway. I can understand the commercial > interest, also a lot of Hams are not really interested in the band. There > are only about 3 UK stns that I hear on the odd time in QSO mode, a few > others around EU are belching out beacons and QSL via internet, hardly > impressive to those that issue Permits. If the plug was pulled I would no= t > be too concerned because 160 metres is similar but has a big occupancy wi= th > QSO MODE being the norm, mostly CW with some SSB. > On LF it is the same tale, although this is now an International band the= re > is very little interest, in fact the band occupancy has gone down over th= e > years. > It is now the same half dozen on the band daily and mostly Beacon mode qs= l > via internet. The odd QRS 600000000000 does take place but virtually no C= W. > At present I would say that LF es MF is a total waste of time and effort > I have 4 nice Decca amps Hi Band for 137 going Rusty!!!!!!! in spite of t= his > I am still using my 1Kw h/brew. CQ on CW but no replies. > > mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? > > > Mal, > > =A0 =A0The maritime industry trade group has been pushing back against > hams on 500kHz in the hope that they can persuade governments to fund > a new relatively broadband data service there. > The maritime group has standing with CEPT and the ITU and they > apparently have money and effective lobbyists behind them, the hams on > the other hand are left to pick up scraps that fall off the table and > are expected to be thankful for them! > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:33 PM, mal hamilton wro= te: >> MF >> How did they arrive at that frequency range? No where near where we are = at >> present. New VFO'S and Xtals etc >> de mal/g3kev >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Warren Ziegler" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:34 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? >> >> >> Hi Laurence, >> >> 5 Watts? Do we get to have 40 channels and use a 'power mic' with >> reverb? >> Come On! >> >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Laurence KL7UK >> wrote: >>> During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory Group held > in >>> Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common Proposal was >>> agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations and wa= s >>> passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur servic= e >>> between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power limit of = 5W >>> eirp. >>> This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from CEPT. >>> I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who >> participated >>> in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this >>> proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies who >>> helped to influence their national administrations in this matter. >>> Now for WRC-12. >>> Colin, G3PSM >>> CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 >>> >>> >>> Laurence KL7UK >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> >> >> >> > > > >