Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7D15C3800008D; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLg8F-0005Qe-6f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:05:51 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLg8E-0005QV-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:05:50 +0000 Received: from blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLg8D-0002w2-Ie for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:05:50 +0000 Received: from BLU153-W59 ([65.55.116.7]) by blu0-omc1-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.166] From: Laurence KL7UK To: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 11:05:41 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: ,,, MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2011 19:05:42.0883 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B260330:01CC9992] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_553e9b8d-79ed-4390-ab86-9f7e93ac087f_" Subject: RE: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:515810752:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d410d4eb194d617f6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --_553e9b8d-79ed-4390-ab86-9f7e93ac087f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on my face - I know how = much work has gone into this so far with a number of people giving up consi= derable time and resources. =20 Now as Rik says we/they go forward to the next round. =20 - a couple of Watts ERP on 502kHz from SM6BHZ reached a city central locati= on in far Eastern China on the Yellow Sea/Bohai Bay on WSPR/QRSS a year o= r so back so a lot of things are possible at this power level...=20 =20 I do miss the MCW on MF when sending out a TR.... =20 Laurence KL7UK G4DMA et al =20 =20 > From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Wed=2C 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100 > Subject: RE: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum >=20 > Warren=2C all=2C >=20 > 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moments very diffic= ult negotiations. > Indeed=2C my "wish list" would be 500-515kHz with 100W EIRP or so. But at= the end I prefer to have 472-480kHz with 5 W EIRP in many countries than t= he current 501-504kHz is just a few countries. > About 5W EIRP: that is some dB above the power I have been using for the = past years. It is OK CW up to +2000km and up to 7000km in WSPR / QRSS3.=20 > The small frequency move should at worst be a minor inconvenience to any = real ham. >=20 > And: this is still a proposal for WRC 2015=2C so fingers crossed (or not = ?) until then. >=20 > 73=2C Rik ON7YD >=20 > ________________________________________ > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com] > Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum >=20 > FYI the U.S. Experimental license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-480 and > 493-515) with 1kW ERP and includes cw=2Cssb and all data modes. > No interference problems to date. >=20 > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >=20 >=20 > On Wed=2C Nov 2=2C 2011 at 12:13 PM=2C Tracey Gardner > wrote: > > There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that segment. > > > > 73s Tracey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Laurence KL7UK > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Sent: Wednesday=2C November 02=2C 2011 3:24 PM > > Subject: LF: 5 Whats? > > During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory Group held= in > > Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common Proposal was > > agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations and wa= s > > passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur servic= e > > between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power limit of = 5W > > eirp. > > This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from CEPT. > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who partici= pated > > in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this > > proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies who > > helped to influence their national administrations in this matter. > > Now for WRC-12. > > Colin=2C G3PSM > > CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 > > > > > > Laurence KL7UK > > > > ________________________________ > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: 11/01/11 = --_553e9b8d-79ed-4390-ab86-9f7e93ac087f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on my face - I =3Bkn= ow how much work has gone into this so far with a number of people giving u= p =3Bconsiderable time and resources.
 =3B
Now as Rik says we/they go forward to the next round.
 =3B
- a couple of Watts ERP on 502kHz =3Bfrom SM6BHZ reached a city central= location in =3B far Eastern China on the Yellow Sea/Bohai Bay on = =3B WSPR/QRSS a year or so back so a lot of things are possible at this pow= er level... =3B
 =3B
 =3BI do miss the MCW on MF when sending out a TR....
 =3B
Laurence KL7UK =3B G4DMA et al
 =3B
 =3B
>=3B From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
>=3B Date: Wed=2C 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100
>=3B Subject= : RE: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum
>=3B
>=3B Warren=2C all=2C
>= =3B
>=3B 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moment= s very difficult negotiations.
>=3B Indeed=2C my "wish list" would be = 500-515kHz with 100W EIRP or so. But at the end I prefer to have 472-480kHz= with 5 W EIRP in many countries than the current 501-504kHz is just a few = countries.
>=3B About 5W EIRP: that is some dB above the power I have = been using for the past years. It is OK CW up to +2000km and up to 7000km i= n WSPR / QRSS3.
>=3B The small frequency move should at worst be a mi= nor inconvenience to any real ham.
>=3B
>=3B And: this is still = a proposal for WRC 2015=2C so fingers crossed (or not ?) until then.
>= =3B
>=3B 73=2C Rik ON7YD
>=3B
>=3B _______________________= _________________
>=3B Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com]
&= gt=3B Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30
>=3B Aan: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>=3B Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum
>= =3B
>=3B FYI the U.S. Experimental license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-4= 80 and
>=3B 493-515) with 1kW ERP and includes cw=2Cssb and all data m= odes.
>=3B No interference problems to date.
>=3B
>=3B -->=3B 73 Warren K2ORS
>=3B WD2XGJ
>=3B WD2XSH/23
>=3B WE2= XEB/2
>=3B WE2XGR/1
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B On Wed=2C Nov 2=2C= 2011 at 12:13 PM=2C Tracey Gardner
>=3B <=3Btracey.gardner@talktalk= .net>=3B wrote:
>=3B >=3B There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that = segment.
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B 73s Tracey
>=3B >=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B ----- Original Message -----
>=3B >=3B From: Laurence K= L7UK
>=3B >=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B >=3B Sen= t: Wednesday=2C November 02=2C 2011 3:24 PM
>=3B >=3B Subject: LF: 5= Whats?
>=3B >=3B During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference P= reparatory Group held in
>=3B >=3B Bucharest between November 1st-4t= h 2011 an European Common Proposal was
>=3B >=3B agreed. This ECP re= presents the block vote of 48 administrations and was
>=3B >=3B pass= ed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur service
>= =3B >=3B between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power li= mit of 5W
>=3B >=3B eirp.
>=3B >=3B This ECP will now be forw= arded to the ITU as a contribution from CEPT.
>=3B >=3B I would like= to take this opportunity to thank all of those who participated
>=3B = >=3B in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this>=3B >=3B proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Socie= ties who
>=3B >=3B helped to influence their national administration= s in this matter.
>=3B >=3B Now for WRC-12.
>=3B >=3B Colin= =2C G3PSM
>=3B >=3B CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23
>=3B= >=3B
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B Laurence KL7UK
>=3B >=3B>=3B >=3B ________________________________
>=3B >=3B
>=3B= >=3B No virus found in this message.
>=3B >=3B Checked by AVG - w= ww.avg.com
>=3B >=3B Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 = - Release Date: 11/01/11
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