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(john.rabson@numeo.fr@217.67.155.178) by smtp.qtxt.dns-iol.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2011 21:12:22 +0100 From: John Rabson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:12:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: ,,, Message-Id: <6D358077-DCB6-42C2-959D-D743C1F0A03F@numeo.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5FA645DE-3CAF-40D0-9E85-2AA5BAB1B30D" Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:520813120:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1494eb1a4705740 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --Apple-Mail=_5FA645DE-3CAF-40D0-9E85-2AA5BAB1B30D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 French amateurs would be very happy with something around 600m. John F5VLF On 2 Nov 2011, at 20:05CET, Laurence KL7UK wrote: > Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on my face - I know = how much work has gone into this so far with a number of people giving = up considerable time and resources. > =20 > Now as Rik says we/they go forward to the next round. > =20 > - a couple of Watts ERP on 502kHz from SM6BHZ reached a city central = location in far Eastern China on the Yellow Sea/Bohai Bay on WSPR/QRSS = a year or so back so a lot of things are possible at this power level...=20= > =20 > I do miss the MCW on MF when sending out a TR.... > =20 > Laurence KL7UK G4DMA et al > =20 > =20 > > From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100 > > Subject: RE: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum > >=20 > > Warren, all, > >=20 > > 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moments very = difficult negotiations. > > Indeed, my "wish list" would be 500-515kHz with 100W EIRP or so. But = at the end I prefer to have 472-480kHz with 5 W EIRP in many countries = than the current 501-504kHz is just a few countries. > > About 5W EIRP: that is some dB above the power I have been using for = the past years. It is OK CW up to +2000km and up to 7000km in WSPR / = QRSS3.=20 > > The small frequency move should at worst be a minor inconvenience to = any real ham. > >=20 > > And: this is still a proposal for WRC 2015, so fingers crossed (or = not ?) until then. > >=20 > > 73, Rik ON7YD > >=20 > > ________________________________________ > > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler = [wd2xgj@gmail.com] > > Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30 > > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum > >=20 > > FYI the U.S. Experimental license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-480 and > > 493-515) with 1kW ERP and includes cw,ssb and all data modes. > > No interference problems to date. > >=20 > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > WD2XGJ > > WD2XSH/23 > > WE2XEB/2 > > WE2XGR/1 > >=20 > >=20 > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tracey Gardner > > wrote: > > > There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that segment. > > > > > > 73s Tracey > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Laurence KL7UK > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:24 PM > > > Subject: LF: 5 Whats? > > > During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory Group = held in > > > Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common = Proposal was > > > agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations = and was > > > passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur = service > > > between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power = limit of 5W > > > eirp. > > > This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from = CEPT. > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who = participated > > > in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this > > > proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies = who > > > helped to influence their national administrations in this matter. > > > Now for WRC-12. > > > Colin, G3PSM > > > CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 > > > > > > > > > Laurence KL7UK > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: = 11/01/11 --Apple-Mail=_5FA645DE-3CAF-40D0-9E85-2AA5BAB1B30D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 French amateurs would be very happy with something = around 600m.

John F5VLF

On 2 = Nov 2011, at 20:05CET, Laurence KL7UK wrote:

Ill certainly take 5W versus none with a big smile on = my face - I know how much work has gone into this so far with a = number of people giving up considerable time and = resources.
 
Now as Rik says we/they go forward to the next = round.
 
- a couple of Watts ERP on 502kHz from SM6BHZ = reached a city central location in  far Eastern China on the Yellow = Sea/Bohai Bay on  WSPR/QRSS a year or so back so a lot of things = are possible at this power level... 
 
 I do miss = the MCW on MF when sending out a TR....
 
Laurence = KL7UK  G4DMA et al
 
 
> From: Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:30:27 +0100
> Subject: RE: = LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum
> 
> Warren, = all,
> 
> = 472-480kHz with 5W EIRP is the outcome of long and at moments very = difficult negotiations.
> Indeed, my "wish list" would be = 500-515kHz with 100W EIRP or so. But at the end I prefer to have = 472-480kHz with 5 W EIRP in many countries than the current 501-504kHz = is just a few countries.
> About 5W EIRP: that is some dB above = the power I have been using for the past years. It is OK CW up to = +2000km and up to 7000km in WSPR / QRSS3. 
> The small = frequency move should at worst be a minor inconvenience to any real = ham.
> 
> = And: this is still a proposal for WRC 2015, so fingers crossed (or not = ?) until then.
> 
> 73, Rik = ON7YD
> 
> = ________________________________________
> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com]
> = Verzonden: woensdag 2 november 2011 17:30
> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
> Onderwerp: Re: LF: Re: 8kHz of spectrum
> 
> FYI the U.S. = Experimental license WE2XGR covers 42kHz (460-480 and
> 493-515) = with 1kW ERP and includes cw,ssb and all data modes.
> No = interference problems to date.
> 
> --
> 73 = Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ
> WD2XSH/23
> WE2XEB/2
> = WE2XGR/1
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 2, = 2011 at 12:13 PM, Tracey Gardner
> <tracey.gardner@talktalk.net> wrote:
> > There are a mere 68 active NDBs in that = segment.
> >
> > 73s Tracey
> >
> > = ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Laurence KL7UK
> = > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<= /a>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:24 PM
> > = Subject: LF: 5 Whats?
> > During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 = Conference Preparatory Group held in
> > Bucharest between = November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common Proposal was
> > = agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations and = was
> > passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to = the amateur service
> > between 472-480 kHz on a secondary = basis with a maximum power limit of 5W
> > eirp.
> > = This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from = CEPT.
> > I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of = those who participated
> > in the work of the working group = that led to the adoption of this
> > proposal. Also thanks are = due to those European Member Societies who
> > helped to = influence their national administrations in this matter.
> > = Now for WRC-12.
> > Colin, G3PSM
> > CEPT Co-ordinator = for Agenda Item 1.23
> >
> >
> > Laurence = KL7UK
> >
> > ________________________________
> = >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked = by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: = 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: = 11/01/11

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