Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8FF79380000A6; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RQPL1-0006MH-18 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:10:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RQPL0-0006M8-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:10:34 +0000 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RQPKz-0001xa-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:10:34 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAFKAXvR013667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:10:33 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id pAFKAXNJ015433 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:10:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4EC2C6EB.2080201@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:09:15 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: ,<66E491BAB91C48AF81191F4022525A14@DennisPC> <6FE757960E6C447781689D4F19A315AE@DennisPC> In-Reply-To: <6FE757960E6C447781689D4F19A315AE@DennisPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: VLF: 8970 Hz transmissions, soon again here Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030108090004010202070501" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475918912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064ec2c7927181 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030108090004010202070501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VLF, Am 15.11.2011 17:03, schrieb DENNIS EASTERLING: > [...] I also have a mini-whip, but this has been extended for > VLF purposes. [...] ...which is good since soon there will be some activity again on 8970 Hz. If you like you can join in to the group of successful listeners on the 33 km band. Yesterday i carried my TX coil to the fixed antenna here. Also the PA and variometer part of course. I do inted to use the fixed antenna. I did some calculations about the radiation resistance and losses and power at maximum voltage (50 kV rms on the wire) and found that the ERP will be about 10 dB higher than expected, i.e. i could radiate something in the range of many 100 uW up to 1 mW or theoretically up to 2 mW. We will see and measure. Paul Nicholsen reported about a very senistive receiver in USA that allows long time integration, i.e. not producing a spectrogram but integrating a given TX time into a single bin, like Paul usually does. Here on the fixed antenna i could do night transmissions. 500W TX power key down for 24h is no problem (as long as there is no rain). So i am optimistic and looking forward to some new work on the dreamers band! Also i would be interested if there is (still) some interest in VLF in this group. For Paul, a endless straight "carrier" would be the optimium while a radio amateur may like to have some true ID and maybe a message to be read and displayed. What about the grabber runners and new prepared VLF receiving stations? Probably i will start next week but may do some spontaneous tests before... 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: I would like to see other VLF transmitting stations as well. What about G3XIZ, DF6NM, OE3GHB, OE5ODL, OK2BVG, DJ8WX? We all could leave some common traces again in the excellent dark spectrogram backgrounds! --------------030108090004010202070501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VLF,

Am 15.11.2011 17:03, schrieb DENNIS EASTERLING:
[...] I also have a mini-whip, but this has been extended for
VLF purposes. [...]

...which is good since soon there will be some activity again on 8970 Hz. If you like you can join in to the group of successful listeners on the 33 km band.

Yesterday i carried my TX coil to the fixed antenna here. Also the PA and variometer part of course. I do inted to use the fixed antenna.
I did some calculations about the radiation resistance and losses and power at maximum voltage (50 kV rms on the wire) and found that the ERP will be about 10 dB higher than expected, i.e. i could radiate something in the range of many 100 uW up to 1 mW or theoretically up to 2 mW. We will see and measure.

Paul Nicholsen reported about a very senistive receiver in USA that allows long time integration, i.e. not producing a spectrogram but integrating a given TX time into a single bin, like Paul usually does.
Here on the fixed antenna i could do night transmissions. 500W TX power key down for 24h is no problem (as long as there is no rain).

So i am optimistic and looking forward to some new work on the dreamers band!

Also i would be interested if there is (still) some interest in VLF in this group. For Paul, a endless straight "carrier" would be the optimium while a radio amateur may like to have some true ID and maybe a message to be read and displayed. What about the grabber runners and new prepared VLF receiving stations?

Probably i will start next week but may do some spontaneous tests before...

73, Stefan/DK7FC

PS: I would like to see other VLF transmitting stations as well. What about G3XIZ, DF6NM, OE3GHB, OE5ODL, OK2BVG, DJ8WX? We all could leave some common traces again in the excellent dark spectrogram backgrounds!


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