Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 55CC8380000A3; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ROY9f-0004sd-F7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:11:11 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ROY9e-0004sU-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:11:10 +0000 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ROY9d-0004GL-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:11:10 +0000 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pAAHB88w027135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:11:08 +0100 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id pAAHB87M006087 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:11:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4EBC0563.4020003@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:09:55 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01cc9fc3$294700e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4EBBFACA.90700@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <001c01cc9fc9$f29f49b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001c01cc9fc9$f29f49b0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Daytime DX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010508020105010002070101" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:489892800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074ebc068132f6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010508020105010002070101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de id pAAHB88w027135 The YO grabber is excellent, although located in a city! There is more=20 average QRM in 4X. It all depends on the distance ,Mal. This is not=20 groundwave exclusively. And the situation can change completely within a=20 few minutes, you know... Looking forward to that evening... Stefan/DK7FC Am 10.11.2011 17:42, schrieb mal hamilton: > Stefan > I find the YO grabber not sensitive. The Moscow grabber receives my=20 > signal when the signal is not visible on the YO grabber. > Something odd going on!!. but I noticed last night the 4X1/Haifa=20 > grabber received my signal when there was poor copy on the YO grabber.=20 > Strange !! You live beside it so it is not a problem for you > de mal/g3kev > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Stefan Sch=E4fer > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: LF: Daytime DX > > Mal, LF, > > Yes i know. Looking on the YO/4X1RF grabber you see that the DCF > level is almost constant over the day. In summer the level varies > 30...40 dB from day to night. So there is almost no day in winther. > > Am 10.11.2011 17:09, schrieb mal hamilton: >> Stefan es Co >> The RN3AGC es TF3HZ grabbers are sensitive during daytime. They >> receive me vy well during daylight. Maybe you have already tried >> them. >> Is the JA grabber set up for 136.173 Khz, does he monitor this >> freq area ? > > As posted yesterday: http://icas.to/argo/eu.htm > But the DCF S/N is just 15 dB in the moment. We would some kW ERP > to apear there. Maybe the path will improve later... 21 to 23 UTC > must be the best time to JA in the moment. Then, the band is > closed to the east and still open to the west. > > Note his window is set for QRSS-120 so your QRSS-30 will hardly be > visible, even if S/N would suffice. > > 73, gl, Stefan, joining in too soon. > >> There is a good chance of being seen/heard now the DX season has >> started >> 73 gl de mal/g3kev > --------------010508020105010002070101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The YO grabber is excellent, although located in a city! There is more average QRM in 4X. It all depends on the distance ,Mal. This is not groundwave exclusively. And the situation can change completely within a few minutes, you know...

Looking forward to that evening...

Stefan/DK7FC



Am 10.11.2011 17:42, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan
I find the YO grabber not sensitive. The Moscow grabber receives my signal when the signal is not visible on the YO grabber.
Something odd going on!!. but I noticed last night the 4X1/Haifa grabber received my signal when there was poor copy on the YO grabber. Strange !! You live beside it so it is not a problem for you
de mal/g3kev
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Daytime DX

Mal, LF,

Yes i know. Looking on the YO/4X1RF grabber you see that the DCF level is almost constant over the day. In summer the level varies 30...40 dB from day to night. So there is almost no day in winther.

Am 10.11.2011 17:09, schrieb mal hamilton:
Stefan es Co
The RN3AGC es TF3HZ  grabbers are sensitive during daytime. They receive me vy well during daylight. Maybe you have already tried them.
Is the JA grabber set up for 136.173 Khz, does he monitor this freq area ?

As posted yesterday: http://icas.to/argo/eu.htm
But the DCF S/N is just 15 dB in the moment. We would some kW ERP to apear there. Maybe the path will improve later... 21 to 23 UTC must be the best time to JA in the moment. Then, the band is closed to the east and still open to the west.

Note his window is set for QRSS-120 so your QRSS-30 will hardly be visible, even if S/N would suffice.

73, gl, Stefan, joining in too soon.

There is a good chance of being seen/heard now the DX season has started
73 gl de mal/g3kev
 
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