Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 37C753800008A; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 04:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RO4SY-0000dJ-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:28:42 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RO4SX-0000dA-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:28:41 +0000 Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.62]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RO4SW-0006vY-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:28:41 +0000 Received: from [77.238.189.232] by nm5.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2011 09:28:34 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.248] by tm13.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2011 09:28:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Nov 2011 09:28:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 615459.48513.bm@omp1013.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 71498 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Nov 2011 09:28:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1320830914; bh=2gQ73bjymu+vQ4Vyz8CXCAMZIuQykFcTfjsf+xDXHnc=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mBPTKJ3ZB9UCZoXhDn5fGznkMP+uxQiGdsc4Yly2u2LZ/HriKMeWApzazWf1qU+Gpb5A4gRhem7nkM9q0uXB1Xz+1LGmvXY7oAJsFq58gYaGU4dSFmsFAzNzXpaPllZSL9dTtfFXnyEFju0icTHn/A+ZrgHDqRjXSBGPPHbPPXI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VCL5jjtToa4RkQUR7hX0WwqcM/SQKXAYHLkpIBlBYaXe4slROS9pTXhYrG1FMWCM/2KanblLlguoVo8/kXyp0EMmusVFjGmTAGLY0q0VoeguiP9GmfM2AudjmMMeMMEV5r6PZ+wUlFTCiprPoJN1E20m12V5/Nr+k9OL+4sSd5k=; X-YMail-OSG: zzMwxpsVM1lifnKTOKw5YpDyXYqUFKvaaTiXw5Xwq74EzAM Dv8EnbKRZzFtpBDsV9ydawX45Rh7ZyK9oyq5oFR_5Q1gxM.v06jWPFswiUQo mZA.IlS3HiXv15XbtOxM5bJbfYKdnaSft8JxNpTrptkbXzbP4lCK7g9LgJEm m4jHyJzx2cyMT25dJGUmvOV2FbD_XNvtW7w.jdbGqWCMNlNbMgE2IyjN_Yhf cwOgtdnl9ThoMho2waFAh_BL5hpjzJlxmCFDn.P8bjsVqFuEbIPm_Tx2Rhi5 WpT8MUiLTiOrmLGKfJMPFv966hU.1x8wcljWsTgb3VaMK4ynIMdS0s_12dfp 3So2hUngilxaAHqLKxbg5wrz7poDcRN9grwWLBLR1PSGC4cEJy3CqzRJ6bBc TvM8yyODKV8w25kYKOZs- Received: from [151.99.187.181] by web29520.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:28:33 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 References: <009f01cc9e68$ed5d64d0$4001a8c0@lark> Message-ID: <1320830913.68763.YahooMailNeo@web29520.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:28:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Daniele Tincani To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TINY_FONT=1.425 Subject: Re: LF: Re: BBC 198 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1432288844-40162447-1320830913=:68763" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475679712:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m242.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60894eba4811638c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --1432288844-40162447-1320830913=:68763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm not sure it was a European thing - I think these frequencies are agre= ed worldwide.=0A=0AAs far as I know,=A0MW BC stations in the Americas use 1= 0 kHz channels.=0A=A0=0ABest regards=0AD.=0A=0A=0A_________________________= _______=0ADa: Chris Trayner =0AA: "rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org" =0AInviato: Mercoled=EC 9 Novemb= re 2011 9:02=0AOggetto: Re: LF: Re: BBC 198=0A=0AHi Alan,=0A=0AThanks for y= our thoughts.=0A=0AOn 2011 Nov 8, at 22:39, Alan Melia wrote:=0A=0A> Hi Wal= ter we were too, but it was a "European" thing: :-)) the EBU defined a=0A> = 9kHz grid. with no thought of history. of usage.=0A=0AI seem to recall that= both MF and LF stations had been at 9 kHz spacing long before that. The ch= ange was to shift the frequencies to integer multiples of 9 kHz. The reason= (if I remember aright) was to facilitate receivers with digital oscillator= s, though I forget the details. =0A=0AAt the same time there was a suggesti= on of 8 kHz spacing to allow more stations (given that you would hardly cal= l MF or LF music quality anyway). There was too much opposition to that.=0A= =0AI'm not sure it was a European thing - I think these frequencies are agr= eed worldwide.=0A=0AAs for a sense of history, I imagine the feasibility of= affordable radios mattered more than having to adjust the tuning dial a li= ttle. I'm not sure the exact frequency is of as much cultural importance as= , say, Britain going over to decimal currency.=0A=0A73,=0AChris G4OKW --1432288844-40162447-1320830913=:68763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> I'm not sure it = was a European thing - I think these frequencies are agreed worldwide.
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As far as I know, MW BC stations in the America= s use 10 kHz channels.
 
Best regards
D.

Da: Chris Trayner <C.= Trayner@leeds.ac.uk>
A:<= /b> "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
= Inviato: Mercoled=EC 9 Novemb= re 2011 9:02
Oggetto: R= e: LF: Re: BBC 198

Hi Alan,

Thanks for your thoughts.<= br>
On 2011 Nov 8, at 22:39, Alan Melia wrote:

> Hi Walter we = were too, but it was a "European" thing: :-)) the EBU defined a
> 9kH= z grid. with no thought of history. of usage.

I seem to recall that = both MF and LF stations had been at 9 kHz spacing long before that. The cha= nge was to shift the frequencies to integer multiples of 9 kHz. The reason = (if I remember aright) was to facilitate receivers with digital oscillators= , though I forget the details.

At the same time there was a suggest= ion of 8 kHz spacing to allow more stations (given that you would hardly ca= ll MF or LF music quality anyway). There was too much opposition to that.

I'm not sure it was a European thing - I think these frequenc= ies are agreed worldwide.

As for a sense of history, I imagine the f= easibility of affordable radios mattered more than having to adjust the tun= ing dial a little. I'm not sure the exact frequency is of as much cultural = importance as, say, Britain going over to decimal currency.

73,
C= hris G4OKW




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