Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8E20F38000094; Sun, 9 Oct 2011 05:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RCpoj-0005Un-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:37:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RCpoj-0005Ue-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:37:09 +0100 Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.233]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RCpoi-0005vA-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:37:09 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.231] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 09:37:02 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 09:37:02 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2011 09:37:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 768759.62956.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47461 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2011 09:37:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=c55UPtqaU9OatufUn2boMS4XsBaXxha2r/DhdNhJKD5u3eLMoZMXtYZ618JiVVP0pvzOVhL5rdSR/rLFonA8/PKyDgy1SxQlRLWPvuUIuAv6rhu2t35qzCSYGn+fIcSCanqWfSnqRuFZBKeoHpqXXKyNy+WGD+oWC/IyG1l1F3Y= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1318153022; bh=UiSi6LLY7t0OsoVVnpG3ex1vBdpjGt5rHWSFp7cZGGo=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Yh/29x5fbF5+Lr3WIzDdQdgqg+CcSFGNjY2WEC9ZUX2R0RCAYjGmWnWNCjTKnTP5KmISp4LoQdW2CXc3/FWuaj8ti68AlgHnmn/RshKIMVYd1tLsoa0M4PbkkO+PRIaeqQFt8/SRhY2YIfmHXTQSZt49zESqAboGUEqN8x2N67k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: gqNk8koVM1m35H8uNAY3eGmQj9QyKNH8McMGbBFLZXGPJ2R uIrHj1blTvidewfFt4cPRtSpj4ZbK6jjrss3wszK1dZ7Q4cWQ26AeIFuyMol gfLeKbXSu0bKXkKlb_.FrwaPfL68p8gK260Nx_iSYvdCJwLD1MnzeOqaFfxI RQcRoAg8__dv5xIj96oc8O.5S.PdMHc.RzSr2nG17uENCJBgMuOyyl6Cickq FMpmeB6YaKn9dUmX.ozUG_Oq0PrpOJQRst.vG2QOmazPPkQIsl13BRdo5u4W uviwzNobavp1eFQu1G_z7uPJbD6xI8S6dks6yNbZZMz0rcty1ohJ28HAeYw7 11eyS4vZ_fil0U_leA0IfnN1c9JJpha94DjHz0COmOXyCtoJNAHpY3Ln9VNk 9XWgwxccoayUwMosNiqs- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.173.191.228 with login) by smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Oct 2011 09:37:02 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E9162DD.1080103@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <4E9162DD.1080103@talktalk.net> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:37:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500kc alive and well Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:351834944:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d019.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84e916b720251 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Colin, LF Group, Glad to hear you are having some success on 500kHz.... > Sorry no NOV so cant reply. Why isn't 500kc allocated as per 136kc? > 73 de G6PBS It is relatively easy for telecoms regulators to licence individuals to use frequencies for specific purposes on a case-by-case basis, as for the existing 500kHz NoVs. But creating a new amateur band like 136kHz is something that requires extensive international negotiations between all sorts of interested parties who already "own" this part of the spectrum. Consequently it is a process that moves with glacial slowness - European administrations seem to be aiming at the WRC 2012 meetings for introducing a band somewhere in this range. It isn't very hard to get the NoV, so why not apply anyway? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU