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(VPS 111010-1, 10/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: mains wires Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:448515936:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d41174e9334ec67d4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none 440 3 Phase Not as standard . some engineering model makes have , but normally 240 1 ph Also depends on the age of the street , ie , this road only has 240 v single phase supply . while more modern layouts use 3 phase and feed alternate house's G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:15 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: mains wires > > in the US we have a standard of 120/240 > with the 120 as the appliance voltage > the British and others use 220 for a standard > does that mean that 440 is used for the big power draws > we would place our clothes dryers on 220 do you have 440 > in general use in the home > > Bob K3DJC > > On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:44:20 -0400 Elton A Sanders > writes: >> If it was plugged into US 230v both Black and White would be hot. >> Mains >> feed here is 2 hots and Neutral hot to Neutral 115v hot to hot 230v >> >> (feed is from a center tapped transformer on the pole). >> WB5MMB >> >> >> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:25:02 -0000, mal hamilton wrote: >> > Bob >> > If you look at a Dentron 2500 amplifier on the cct diagram the >> 230v >> > mains cable, WHITE wire goes to the ON/OFF switch on amplifier >> then >> > primary of HT transformer which to me is HOT and BLACK wire goes >> > directly to the other side of primary winding, NEUTRAL and GREEN >> to >> > chassis. >> > In the UK the switch is always in the LIVE (hot) wire and NEUTRAL >> > direct to the appliance except it happens to be a double switch. >> > >> > UK appliance BROWN live, BLUE neutral, plus an earth wire (3 wire >> > appliance) >> > mal/g3kev >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> Sunday, October 09, 2011 7:48 PM >> >> Re: LF: mains wires >> >> >> >> what I use to keep track >> >> >> >> Black is hot white is not >> >> >> >> Bob K3DJC >> >> >> >> On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 17:09:09 -0000 "mal hamilton" writes: >> >> >> >>> LF >> >>> I have a USA amplifier with 230v input. The mains wires are >> >>> BLACK, WHITE, and GREEN >> >>> >> >>> The cct diagram shows White as the live wire with amplifier >> mains >> >>> switch in this line, Black goes to the other end directly to >> >>> transformer primary >> >>> and Green to earth. >> >>> but >> >>> according to USA info the Black wire should be Live and White >> >>> Neutral. >> >>> >> >>> So beware !!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>> de g3kev >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > ____________________________________________________________ > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e931414668c54808em03vuc > >