Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4750A38000082; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 05:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RDuzA-0001Ay-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:20:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RDuzA-0001An-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:20:24 +0100 Received: from mail-bw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.214.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDuz7-0004fm-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:20:24 +0100 Received: by bkas6 with SMTP id s6so991097bka.16 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IyMj8HulxolQrMsRu1KOsDoabaN3erVqG4NyqhgvW2g=; b=A9eq+uoIuqb23wpCKfaIcEa+lM6KiQr0JeUYZ/Tkl/9OrTVhWlmMI349huJgJh0tQS uRDHVDDX9hhUHLhGtcasoOdamnDt8G+Z6ePnDHxlwl7jkjwZHUAwOO34zZz4nARxw2pG vxGSI1udq7sxPx5sDSYVji9y1DjlBXA1vFqeo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.133.5 with SMTP id d5mr12588455bkt.44.1318411216023; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.83.67 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:20:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:20:15 +1100 Message-ID: From: Dimitrios Tsifakis To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: noise on VK and earth dipole tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:457474624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184e955c034ec1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi John, 2011/10/12 John Rabson : > Amongst other things, it depends on the geology. =A0G3XBM has managed 5.6= km with 5 W RF at very low frequency. =A0On 87 kHz with 4W SSB (cave radio= ) in limestone, the best I know of is 1.6 km two way and 2.5 km one way in = the French alps. Well, the S/N required for voice is much higher than that of QRSS30. With a puny 3 W of RF and QRSS30 it seems I can cover a distance of about 30 km and still have a S/N of 30 dB! Which implies that possibly (if the signal received is normal ground wave, similar to that from an above-ground antenna), with a spreading loss of 6 dB per doubling of distance and with a bit more juice, much greater distances may be covered. > It is always worth trying. That's the spirit in the amateur world of LF! :-) 73, Dimitris VK1SV