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(VPS 111016-1, 16/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: [SDR-IQ] FCC issues Experimental License Grant WF2XXQ to operate on 130KC and 500KC bands Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475769504:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4e9b440539c5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none > also specifies an ERP of 500W. > Also he requests 130-140 and 495-505kHz with a frequency tolerance of 9= 5%! QSL ! Well if its stamped 'issued' then who's going to complain. that= =20 covers audio / 136 lofer 500 and MW , with 1/2 KW erp ..=20 game -on ! Nice touch on the defining the state of Florida, so say Andy KU4= XR=20 is out of the game . where as EU or say South America is 'in' = ..=20 nothing to do with N/S divide ? , as opposed to the mid latitude=20 trough , that was elegantly portrayed at the rsgb convention ..=20 showing a dead zone directly from the UK to Newfoundland .. some=20 things are best 'un-known' ... especially when your trying for a=20 500 UK/VE cw contact on the night of the April IMD event ,,,, Good luck with the 500 set up , don't think you find too much=20 problem radiating on 500 , as long as you have round 30 ft of=20 vertical wire from the feed point , that's seems to be enough , T= op=20 loading also seems to be a good move ..sea water close by also= =20 helps .. ok 750 ft over sea water (ever glades ?) or 600 ft in= a=20 delta loop helps , but with a little 'data processing' then qui= te=20 good coms over range is possible ...... I must admit I floated down=20 from 160 to 500 and found the 160 short array worked fine .. big= =20 power gain was the earthling ... anything in the garden that=20 conducted, now has its own insulated earth cable .. and the top=20 loading coil wound on 2 coke bottles , coaxially assembled , gave the= =20 second ... third was the 'Doppelg=E4nger' PA .. but that's another = story=20 ... 73 -G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:30 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: [SDR-IQ] FCC issues Experimental License Grant WF2X= XQ=20 to operate on 130KC and 500KC bands > > Graham, > > From Juan's application: > "This Experimental License is required in order to sanction our=20 > experiments of > attempting communications between Licensed Radio Amateurs in Miami,=20 > Florida and > those licensed in other parts of the world at approximately 136Kc and=20 > 500Kc. > These communications are being attempted in CW, LSB, RTTY, and any of t= he > digital modes such as BPSK. > For this purpose we will acquire from commercial firms, radio > amateurs, or design > and build the necessary transmitting and receiving equipment, including= RF > amplifiers not to exceed 500 Watts in output." > > However it appears that the application was not too carefully > scrutinized, for example he mentions that he will run 500W output yet > also specifies an ERP of 500W. > Also he requests 130-140 and 495-505kHz with a frequency tolerance of 9= 5%! > > 73 K2ORS > > > On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Graham wrote= : >> Two way comms ? >> >> G.. >> From: John Rabson >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 3:07 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: LF: Fwd: [SDR-IQ] FCC issues Experimental License Grant WF2XX= Q=20 >> to >> operate on 130KC and 500KC bands >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "juangranados@bellsouth.net" >> Date: 16 October 2011 13:22:04 CEST >> To: SDR-IQ@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [SDR-IQ] FCC issues Experimental License Grant WF2XXQ to oper= ate=20 >> on >> 130KC and 500KC bands >> Reply-To: SDR-IQ@yahoogroups.com >> >> 10.15.2011 - FCC issues Experimental License Grant WF2XXQ to operate o= n=20 >> the >> 130KC and 500KC bands to Licensed Radio Amateur Juan A. Granados /K4LC= D >> until 10.01.2016. >> >> As part of our VLF - Very Low Frequency amateur radio experiment, on >> September 6, 2011 we submitted an application for an Experimental Lice= nse=20 >> to >> operate within certain parameters in the 130KHz and 500KHz bands. >> >> We have been listening successfully to experimental transmissions of s= ome=20 >> of >> the 45 licensed amateurs participating in the experiments conducted un= der=20 >> an >> Experimental License granted to the ARRL in the 500KHz band. >> >> Receiving with a RFSpace SDR-IQ SDR Receiver w/HB9HRV's SDR-Console=20 >> software >> and a Kenwood TS-2000, NE and NW loops of the 4 x elevated EWEs design= ed=20 >> by >> Floyd Koontz WA2WVL. >> >> With the help of Floyd Koontz WA2WVL, we are involved in designing >> complements to our existing 160M transmit antenna so that it will=20 >> transmit >> at 500KHz. We now have a preliminary design. >> >> Floyd Koontz WA2WVL is very advanced in the development of a 28.5MHz >> transmitter down converter and solid state RF amplifier to provide us=20 >> with >> approximately 300 watts output to operate at 500KHz. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SDR-IQ/ >> >> <*> Your email settings: >> Individual Email | Traditional >> >> <*> To change settings online go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SDR-IQ/join >> (Yahoo! ID required) >> >> <*> To change settings via email: >> SDR-IQ-digest@yahoogroups.com >> SDR-IQ-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >> >> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> SDR-IQ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > >=20