Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id BE76938000128; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RDh43-0006Dx-01 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:31 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RDh42-0006Do-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:30 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDh40-0007fp-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:30 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 311121C0036A for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 248501C0036B for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:28:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [2.26.46.67]) by mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D6A331C0036A for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:28:22 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20111011182822879.D6A331C0036A@mwinf3412.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <3EE774227CA94116B834DD34E3A12972@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <6DBD7E6005D3414EAE80FFA466D4B0CD@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:28:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 111011-1, 11/10/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: LF: Re: LF: Re: G3KEV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0147_01CC884B.F0889770" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:446948608:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40c94e948b4472bf X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01CC884B.F0889770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Alex=20 That seems to the situation all round .. may be a high Q TX ae = produces a much higher noise level than the long , low , = terminated beverage , I now find that Rx using my Tx Ae on 500 = is very poor compared to some years ago.. but that was when the = Tx was not as modified=20 Note the loop , directional as well ? assume the min-whip is 360 = deg ? Tnx -G..=20 From: Alex K=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:55 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re[2]: LF: Re: LF: Re: G3KEV I have found the best MiniWhip as it managed to be setup on a tall mast. = Probably, the loop gives stronger signal, but it is bulky and demands = adjustment in a resonance that it is difficult to make on a roof. = Therefore I use MiniWhip Also I tried to use my tx aerial which has been adjusted in a resonance = for reception. The result was worse, than at MiniWhip because there were = appreciable and very unpleasant noise, it is probable from pulse power = units. :( 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2011, 20:37 =D0=BE=D1=82 = "Graham" : Yes the hard work is for the owner of the trace maker ! Alex , That's a very excellent web site , Google seems to make = a good of the text, but the images remain ,=20 Q you have a loop and the min-whip , which do you find the = better ? G..=20 From: Alex K=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: LF: Re: G3KEV Hello Mal, thank you! I use the aerial PA0RDT design, but in the scheme are applied Russian = transistors KP903A (FET lownoise, Pmax=3D3Wt) and KT921A (n-p-n, = Pmax=3D12 Wt). The current of drain FET is abt 50 mA. The aerial is on 5 meter mast on a roof of a building (abt 20 mt = hight) in a quiet place near to Moscow. The receiver is home-made, superhet IF=3D500 kHz, with = DDS-synthesizer, mixers on bipolar transistors. The scheme is on my site: http://rn3aus.narod.ru vy 73 de rn3aus! 11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2011, 19:56 =D0=BE=D1=82 = "mal hamilton" : Alex You have a vy good Grabber, the best in the East. What sort of antenna do u use? de mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alex K=20 To: rsgb_lf_group=20 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: LF: G3KEV Hello LF! G3KEV signal recvd nr Moscow 09 Okt 19:20 UTC 73 de rn3aus/Alex -- =D0=A7=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5 =D0=B8 = =D0=BE=D1=82=D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0=BB=D1=8F=D0=B9=D1=82=D0=B5 = =D1=8D=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BD=D0=BD=D1=8B=D0=B5 = =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BC=D0=B0 =D0=BF=D1=80=D1=8F=D0=BC=D0=BE = =D1=81=D0=BE =D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=B5=D0=B3=D0=BE = =D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B5=D1=84=D0=BE=D0=BD=D0=B0.=20 =D0=9F=D1=80=D0=BE=D1=81=D1=82=D0=BE = =D0=B7=D0=B0=D0=B9=D0=B4=D0=B8=D1=82=D0=B5 =D1=81 = =D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B5=D1=84=D0=BE=D0=BD=D0=B0 =D0=BD=D0=B0 m.mail.ru=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01CC884B.F0889770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Alex
 
That  seems  to the  = situation =20 all  round ..  may  be a  high  Q  TX = ae =20 produces   a  much  higher  noise  = level =20 than the  long  , low , terminated  beverage  , = I=20 now  find  that  Rx using  my  Tx Ae on = 500 =20 is  very  poor   compared  to  some = years =20 ago.. but that  was when  the  Tx  was  = not  as=20 modified
 
Note  the  loop , directional = as =20 well ? assume  the  min-whip  is  360 deg =20 ?
 
Tnx -G..

From: Alex K
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: LF: Re[2]: LF: Re: LF: Re: G3KEV

I have found the best MiniWhip as it managed to be setup = on a=20 tall mast. Probably, the loop gives stronger signal, but it is bulky and = demands=20 adjustment in a resonance that it is difficult to make on a roof. = Therefore I=20 use MiniWhip
Also I tried to use my tx aerial which has been adjusted = in a=20 resonance for reception. The result was worse, than at MiniWhip because = there=20 were appreciable and very unpleasant noise, it is probable from pulse = power=20 units. :(



11 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F = 2011, 20:37 =D0=BE=D1=82 "Graham"=20 <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>:
Yes the  hard  work  = is  for=20 the  owner  of the  trace  maker !
 
Alex , That's a  very =20 excellent   web  site , Google  seems  = to  make=20 a  good  of the  text, but the  images  = remain ,=20
 
Q  you  have  a  = loop=20 and  the  min-whip , which  do  you  = find =20 the  better  ?
 
G..
 
 

From: Alex = K
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:17 PM
Subject: LF: Re: LF: Re: G3KEV

Hello Mal, thank you!
I use the aerial PA0RDT = design, but in=20 the scheme are applied Russian transistors KP903A (FET lownoise, = Pmax=3D3Wt) and=20 KT921A (n-p-n, Pmax=3D12 Wt). The current of drain FET is abt 50 = mA.
The=20 aerial is on 5 meter mast on a roof of a  building (abt 20 mt = hight) in a=20 quiet place near to Moscow.
The receiver is home-made, superhet = IF=3D500 kHz,=20 with  DDS-synthesizer, mixers on bipolar transistors.
The = scheme is on=20 my site: http://rn3aus.narod.ru
vy 73 de = rn3aus!


11=20 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82=D1=8F=D0=B1=D1=80=D1=8F 2011, 19:56 =D0=BE=D1=82 = "mal hamilton" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:
 
Alex
You have a vy good Grabber, the best in the=20 East.
What sort of antenna do u use?
 
de mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Alex K
To: rsgb_lf_group
Sent: Monday, October 10, = 2011 2:51=20 PM
Subject: LF: G3KEV

Hello LF!
G3KEV signal recvd nr Moscow 09 Okt = 19:20=20 UTC
73 de = rn3aus/Alex

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