Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 78B163800009D; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RCAv3-0003Eb-QJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:56:57 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RCAv3-0003ER-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:56:57 +0100 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RCAv0-0007bw-Nc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:56:57 +0100 Received: from mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.5]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p97DuodR016437 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:56:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.68] (host-92-6-236-249.as43234.net [92.6.236.249]) by mtaout-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id A04A8E000131 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: g4gvw To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: References: <00d101cc8385$36ca2c10$4001a8c0@lark> <96322D70F9974098BE3BAD32EC55648F@AGB> <1317850793.4144.27.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <000d01cc83aa$41c1ca40$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1317857588.4715.4.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <1317862909.4715.50.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:56:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1317995793.3560.48.camel@pat-compaq-evo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:460976224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RSGB Convention MF side looks a bit thin ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:473383392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4074e8f055064c3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Jim, Point taken and I also have the licence change after WW2 noted. At various times since then the administration and regulation has passed through a number of government departments and agencies too. The argument is still valid and and the more so because it has not undergone strenuous review since that time. This despite the technological and social changes wrought. It could be argued, for instance, that in 1946 images of war were still fresh and the value of having a 'reserve' of radio operators, technicians and engineers remained a resource of strategic importance. Going back through the old radio magazines you will easily find the recruiting adverts aimed at radio amateurs to join the reserves of the armed forces. Many technological changes since those times have rendered much of that thinking into obsolescence. Even though we might conclude by retaining the current status, the debate is still worth having because we may be arriving at yet another crossroads. There are major differences between the "science" and "sport" aspects of the "hobby". Questions that might be asked could include; Do those differences matter? If so, how do we address them? How do we protect our use of spectrum? How best do we identify our serious intentions to the regulators? Does what we do have real relevance? Do we continue to be represented as before? Are present structures relevant - not just for the present but what of the future? As for perception, try explaining to the guys down the pub that the "funny looking dish" on your mast enables you to communicate using "microwaves" and "No it won't set the village on fire"! OK, that's a UK problem. In the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe such a cooker is called a Magnetron. Interestin' eh ? 73 On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 19:49 +0100, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Graham, Pat, LF Group, > > Having in the past done a few presentations on LF at RSGB conventions, I > found that LF was definitely a sideshow compared to HF DXing matters, but > none the less, there was a worthwhile and quite enthusiastic attendance. > Having an LF station at the convention also gave non - HF DXers something to > do! > > Amongst various old amateur radio publications, I have a copy of the January > 1946 RSGB Bulletin - predecessor to RadCom. At this time, UK licences were > just beginning to be re-issued after the war years, and apparently this was > when the change from "radio experimenter's licence" to "radio amateur's > licence" was made. The editorial is generally favourable about this official > change in status, bringing UK amateurs into alignment with other nations. > Apparently, before 1939, any UK amateur transmission was supposed to have > some sort of justification as an experiment, and UK stations had to call > "TEST" instead of "CQ". The editorial acknowledges that even in these early > days, a substantial proportion of amateurs were only really interested in > DXing, rather than any radio experimentation. So this argument has been > going on for some time... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- 73 es gd dx de pat g4gvw qth nr felixstowe uk (east coast, county of suffolk)