Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2FE2C38000081; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RDDEa-0003YH-F4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:37:24 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RDDEa-0003Y8-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:37:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RDDEX-00087I-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:37:23 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsUAAC/Kkk5cF/+Y/2dsb2JhbABDlH2DcEOOaYEGgU4FAQEFCAEBA0kCLAEBAwUCAQMEDQQBAQolFAEEGgYWCAYTCgECAgEBh2+2aodDBIJYhHWdfA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,516,1312153200"; d="scan'208,217";a="348434269" Received: from host-92-23-255-152.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.255.152]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 10 Oct 2011 11:37:14 +0100 Message-ID: <003701cc8738$90325dc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <20111009.155855.1944.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <002d01cc86eb$6f677730$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4E92662A.5030406@telus.net> <002101cc872c$6d638050$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4010285C-CD6E-4E21-A56C-23A106D04B1E@numeo.fr> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:37:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: mains wires Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CC8738.8FD2FFB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:479312864:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a4e92cb1e1814 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CC8738.8FD2FFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John The 2 pin plus earth non reversible seems a safer approach. A mixture of = reversals is not good, especially in a shack with several electrical = metal cased devices all with a common earth, floating at different = potentials. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Rabson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: Re: LF: mains wires On 10 Oct 2011, at 10:19CEST, mal hamilton wrote: Tnx Scott and others for the info. Your system is more complicated = because of the 117 v and 230v dual supply required. In the UK there is more conformity to wiring and the plugs are non = reversible into the socket, whereas your 2 blade plug goes in either way = round and no Earth. =20 In EU their 2 pin plug is also reversible but does have an earth.=20 Plugs and sockets seem to vary from member state to member state. Both 2 pin and 2 pin+earth plugs are available in France. Two pin = sockets are no longer allowed for new installations but both types of = plug will go into a 2 pin+earth socket. The 2 pin plug is reversible = but the 2 pin+earth is not.=20 John F5VLF ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CC8738.8FD2FFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John
The 2 pin plus earth non reversible seems a = safer=20 approach. A mixture of reversals is not good, especially in a shack with = several=20 electrical metal cased devices all with a common earth,  floating = at=20 different potentials.
mal/g3kev
 
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From:=20 John=20 Rabson
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Subject: Re: LF: mains = wires


On 10 Oct 2011, at 10:19CEST, mal hamilton wrote:
Tnx Scott and others for the info. Your = system is more=20 complicated because of the 117 v and 230v dual supply = required.
In the UK there is more conformity to wiring = and the=20 plugs are non reversible into the socket, whereas your 2 blade plug = goes in=20 either way round and no Earth. =  

In EU their 2 pin plug is also reversible = but does=20 have an earth.

Plugs and sockets seem to vary from member state to member = state.

Both 2 pin and 2 pin+earth plugs are available = in=20 France.  Two pin sockets are no longer allowed for new=20 installations but both types of plug will go into a 2 pin+earth = socket.=20  The 2 pin plug is reversible but the 2 pin+earth is not. 

John F5VLF

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