Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 64999380000BC; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R11vW-0002BA-51 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:07:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R11vV-0002B1-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:07:21 +0100 Received: from mail-pz0-f42.google.com ([209.85.210.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R11vR-0005Uj-5X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 21:07:21 +0100 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37so10735094pzk.1 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=yS1/pcMuUap3PgKVsT8aYSeL/z1MEy++RCqBv40F2ic=; b=xaTIJhOeQBUbnJ1xKvRuwMumAq82UKO8yeNLNZKBfAwuBtaRuu6F8OkbIC3eDcKrEu Cv1am3TKlpmPR84Flin5a2P7sbcQU8OBfwc6d9ScMkKpffnX8PHWU7aIZO5mSMGw0hJR JG4CIjiQeNUQSEJ2AV996czxtGEjn1Qs66wNA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.4.97 with SMTP id j1mr8957436pbj.50.1315339629872; Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.188.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2011 13:07:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8E521D9BC6FA41FF801372D1EF8145C9@JimPC> References: <8E521D9BC6FA41FF801372D1EF8145C9@JimPC> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:07:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Roger Lapthorn To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Curious local QRM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520e6fb65c62304ac4b5ff6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:482790016:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d019.1 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4e667dc82f8c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --bcaec520e6fb65c62304ac4b5ff6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fascinating Jim. Memories of rusty bolts! 73s Roger G3XBM On 6 September 2011 20:48, James Moritz wrote: > Dear LF Group, > > While doing some tests with 136kHz ferrite rod antennas recently, I had > noticed a problem with some local wideband "mush" QRM. In some locations in > my garden this was 30dB or more over the band noise level. Moving the RX > antenna a few metres made a big difference to the QRM level, so the source > was obviously very local, and so this evening I decided to track it down. > > I used one of my small loop antennas with a long coax extension lead going > back to the shack, and a pair of wireless headphones so that I could listen > to the QRM level on the RX in the shack as I moved the antenna around. > Pretty quickly, I was able to localise the source to a shed in my garden > that I use to store larger "junk box" items, but there are no power or other > electrical connections to the shed, so what could be making the QRM was a > mystery. > > After emptying out half the shed contents, the QRM source turned out to be > another, experimental, loop antenna that I made some years ago. This was a > 1m^2 loop with a broadband preamp fed via a step-up transformer. The local > MF broadcast stations produce enough field strength to induce a few volts > EMF at the un-powered preamp input, where rectification and intermodulation > occurs. Since there are 4 modulated broadcast signals, the result is a wide > ,almost uniform spectrum of noise, some of which is re-radiated by the loop. > Turning the broadband loop at right angles to the broadcast stations > restored peace and quiet! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ --bcaec520e6fb65c62304ac4b5ff6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fascinating Jim. Memories of rusty bolts!

73s
Roger G3XBM

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On 6 September 2011 20:48, James Moritz <james.moritz@= btopenworld.com> wrote:
Dear LF Group,

While doing some tests with 136kHz ferrite rod antennas recently, I had not= iced a problem with some local wideband "mush" QRM. =A0In some lo= cations in my garden this was 30dB or more over the band noise level. Movin= g the RX antenna a few metres made a big difference to the QRM level, so th= e source was obviously very local, and so this evening I decided to track i= t down.

I used one of my small loop antennas with a long coax extension lead going = back to the shack, and a pair of wireless headphones so that I could listen= to the QRM level on the RX in the shack as I moved the antenna around. Pre= tty quickly, I was able to localise the source to a shed in my garden that = I use to store larger "junk box" items, but there are no power or= other electrical connections to the shed, so what could be making the QRM = was a mystery.

After emptying out half the shed contents, the QRM source turned out to be = another, experimental, loop antenna that I made some years ago. This was a = 1m^2 loop with a broadband preamp fed via a step-up transformer. The local = MF broadcast stations produce enough field strength to induce a few volts E= MF at the un-powered preamp input, where rectification and intermodulation = occurs. Since there are 4 modulated broadcast signals, the result is a wide= ,almost uniform spectrum of noise, some of which is re-radiated by the loo= p. Turning the broadband loop at right angles to the broadcast stations res= tored peace and quiet!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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