Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AF3403800010E; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 08:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R0YBD-0003gP-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:21:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R0YBC-0003gG-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:21:34 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R0YBB-0004d1-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2011 13:21:34 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (cyrus-portal.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p85CLWgj002401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:21:32 +0200 Received: from extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.140]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p85CLWk5020586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:21:32 +0200 Received: from [129.206.205.143] (vpn205-143.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.205.143]) by extmail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p85CLTXu014810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2011 14:21:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4E64BEB6.7000002@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:21:10 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: Loop vs. ferrite antenna tests... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:359874464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54e64bf1f2ea3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, There was no chance for me to TX in France this year but at least i did some useful comparisons with my single turn loop (1m diameter) and the ferrite antenna. Markus/DF6NM did some CW beacon transmissions on 136.5 kHz for me. The distance was 428 km (http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN59NK&from=jn29od96). Both antennas were pointing to DF6NM. The whole system was running on batteries and the distance between antennas and netbook was sufficient. Anyway there was a noise pickup, maybe by the local 20 kV line in some 10m distance. Best S/N for the loop was achieved by using the preamp + a 10 dB attenuator. Without the attenuator, the RX gets overloaded due to DCF39 which is still very strong there. Without the preamp, the noise floor is to close to the soundcard+RX noise it seemed. It was a relatively quiet morning, just some individual cracks / QRN. The ferrite antenna was used in combination with the same preamp (M0BMU design, 50 Ohm based), but without the attenuator. The audible performance of the ferrite antenna seems to be even slightly better than with the loop. This is due to the smaller bandwidth (higher Q) of the ferrite antenna that reduces the DCF and HGA levels even more. Markus was well audible on both antennas! The S/N was about 20...23 dB in 3 Hz noise bandwidth. A comparative spectrogram can be found at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DF6NM%20in%20CW%20in%20JN29OD96.png First one can see the ferrite antenna (slightly lower signal level but about same S/N) recording, then the loop. SpecLab was using a 10th order butterworth filter centered to 137 kHz, with 2 kHz bandwidth. The noiseblanker was applied as well (9 dB treshold). An audio file can be found here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DF6NM%20in%20CW%20in%20JN29OD96.WAV It uses a 500 Hz CW filter at 700 Hz AF. Except the filter and blanker, no further noise reduction is applied. I personally find the first part of the file better to copy. This is the ferrite antenna! Tnx Markus/DF6NM for the test. 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: Copied further stations: DG3MDE : http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DG3MDE.jpg DF6NM at 35 dB S/N in 488 mHz: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/DF6NM_QRSS-3.jpg (wrong locator in the capture)