Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1B721380000B6; Sat, 3 Sep 2011 05:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QzmWA-0000Ua-3h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:28:02 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QzmW9-0000UR-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:28:01 +0100 Received: from sidious.london.02.net ([82.132.130.152] helo=mail.o2.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QzmW7-0007Xc-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:28:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.65] (46.64.39.147) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as g3ldo@o2.co.uk) id 4E0B295C0C4A8E60 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 3 Sep 2011 10:31:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4E61F319.9020309@o2.co.uk> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:27:53 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.21) Gecko/20110830 Thunderbird/3.1.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005601cc696d$4c244960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <47712331CE9449468610764E6397D092@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <47712331CE9449468610764E6397D092@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF es MF MODES ... a historical perspective Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:274858592:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484e61f3543bc6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim's history lesson is spot on. I recall Mal describing QRSS as "lazy man's CW" Regards Peter, G3LDO > > G3KEV wrote: >> You have just verified what I have always said. >> Yes keep an open mind and experiment but in the end all will come to >> the same conclusion as Yourself. >> QRSS/DFCW.... > >> I think if we all co ordinated our efforts on QRS Mode using various >> QRS speeds to suit the individual requirements there >would be >> uniformity throughout the LF/MF fraternity and a better chance of >> being either heard/seen or have a QSO >worldwide. > > People who subscribed to this reflector relatively recently may not be > aware that, when QRSS and DFCW first started to be used on LF more > than a decade ago, Mal spent literally years rubbishing them, going on > endlessly about incompetent appliance operators, not-real-QSOs, > unbalanced ears, real men only use CW, etc, etc, etc, I'm sure you get > the idea. Meanwhile, others put considerable effort into developing > and sucessfully using these then-new modes for transmission and > reception near and far, and now they have become well-established on > LF and other bands too. Eventually there was an awkward phase when > G3KEV, bowing to the inevitable, started to appear on spectrograms in > QRSS3 mode, but slower speeds were still beneath contempt. So it is > rather nice to see Mal has finally embraced these modes, even if that > wasn't really what he has "always said". If you want a hint as to > which are the most promising new modes for LF and MF, take a look at > what Mal is dismissing today, and see what he is using in 10 years time! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > >