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(VPS 110915-0, 15/09/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Litz wire available Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486613248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d258.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54e728bc26a7f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hi Julian glad to see you are still lurking :-)) I think the PO/BT technique was a solder pot ...but we are not running 1MW :-)) In passing I did manage to liberate one of the SRBF formered toroids used on the power sensors, the hole for the Litz was about 2 inches diameter.....I also managed a photo of one in situ in the feed to the variometer in the "loft". Some "SWR meter" !! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Hardstone" To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 12:10 AM Subject: LF: Re: Litz wire available > Alan - I see from your own page "A History of Rugby Radio" that the Litz wire used in the 16kHz > loading coils was 6561 strand (81^3), and I recall hearing the erstwhile Chief Engineer (who's name > I forget) giving a talk on the station and speaking of the difficulty of terminating this Litz: a > dry joint on any strand would result in fire. ISTR That the only available test for the 13122 joints > was visual inspection. Take care with that Litz! > > For succesful soldering to Polyurethane-insulated wire I recommend using an iron at about 400°C with > plenty of flux and in good ventilation > > For an uncompleted rx loop aerial project I once made some Litz. I had a large quantity of 0.5mm > enamelled copper so I laid strands down the garden and twisted them with a cordless drill, ending up > with 3 × 3 strands. The procedure is straightforward if you can find somewhere long enough, and > private to work undisturbed, but no need if you can buy Litz > > - Julian G3TFR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: "RSGB LF Gp" > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:27 AM > Subject: LF: Litz wire available > > > > Hi all, I attended a microwave event at the Crawley Club at the weekend and > > met Derek Atter again, G3GRO, who was an early pioneer of LF in the UK. > > Despite now being wheelchair bound Derek still takes and active interest in > > all things radio. > > > > He advises me that the Crawley Club still has a substantial amount of Litz > > wire available. This is quite thick ....Derek says about 800 strand which I > > think will mean 729 strand as proper Litz is always a power-of-three. There > > are two types avaiable, PTFE jacketed and DCC (double cotton covered for > > the youngsters :-)) ) I recollect this is about 3 to 4 mm outer diameter > > and was used on the PA and antenna tuning coils at the Decca Navigator > > sites. I understand this is available in return for a donation to Club > > funds, and a carriage charge. So now is your chance to increase the "Q" of > > your loading coils!! > > > > Please correspond directly with Derek on derek.atter@gmail.com > > > > Best Wishes > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > >