Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mh04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 167E9380000B8; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 19:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QzdVy-0005wA-L1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:51:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QzdVy-0005vz-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:51:14 +0100 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QzdVw-0000wp-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 00:51:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIBAI1rYU5Ok8RF/2dsb2JhbABCmHVEjy95gUEFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHYQK4E4ZlBIc6nQA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,321,1312153200"; d="scan'208";a="7916385" Received: from host-78-147-196-69.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([78.147.196.69]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Sep 2011 00:51:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000901cc69cb$2e8816d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005601cc696d$4c244960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <47712331CE9449468610764E6397D092@JimPC> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 00:51:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: LF es MF MODES ... a historical perspective Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436155040:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d84e616c196b56 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Jim A colourful observation with some bits added on about what I said and a history lesson that all will enjoy !! although not accurate, just one persons point of view. My preferred mode on the lower frequencies is still CW and QRS under stress. In 10 years time I expect the AOMM will replace everything that exists today. (AOMM -- Appliance Operator Miracle Mode) g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: LF: Re: LF es MF MODES ... a historical perspective > Dear LF Group, > > G3KEV wrote: > >You have just verified what I have always said. > >Yes keep an open mind and experiment but in the end all will come to the > >same conclusion as Yourself. > >QRSS/DFCW.... > > >I think if we all co ordinated our efforts on QRS Mode using various QRS > >speeds to suit the individual requirements there >would be uniformity > >throughout the LF/MF fraternity and a better chance of being either > >heard/seen or have a QSO >worldwide. > > People who subscribed to this reflector relatively recently may not be aware > that, when QRSS and DFCW first started to be used on LF more than a decade > ago, Mal spent literally years rubbishing them, going on endlessly about > incompetent appliance operators, not-real-QSOs, unbalanced ears, real men > only use CW, etc, etc, etc, I'm sure you get the idea. Meanwhile, others put > considerable effort into developing and sucessfully using these then-new > modes for transmission and reception near and far, and now they have become > well-established on LF and other bands too. Eventually there was an awkward > phase when G3KEV, bowing to the inevitable, started to appear on > spectrograms in QRSS3 mode, but slower speeds were still beneath contempt. > So it is rather nice to see Mal has finally embraced these modes, even if > that wasn't really what he has "always said". If you want a hint as to > which are the most promising new modes for LF and MF, take a look at what > Mal is dismissing today, and see what he is using in 10 years time! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > >