Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A04183800046F; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qs25h-0008HG-5n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:28:41 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qs25g-0008H7-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:28:40 +0100 Received: from nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qs25e-0004ZE-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:28:40 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.195] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 00:28:33 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.205] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 00:28:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Aug 2011 00:28:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 491953.68805.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41404 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2011 00:28:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=j24XdklIFDvTtjpXo/Ud2JC88lPkfewvqrkRl6uiNxDoGb4JTdB1NWIk8km2xWTj5KyV+lfZx+Dz21650FauG36+SoeHPv6dkuWfOBfrCpffNNYL0XLS/16pfxK53ldMHK4d+zDF+PwsAq5ClaWkD6DpflnFR+tcOkPZQxx3Lpk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1313195313; bh=fnW8ZRMQkhFFAvAse9zBxcc42Xl2Ax26i6z+ibPc62I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5t6rbGvhjiKOax8bpqp89JC6+WwyRYTNNLjavRRB0tJj0NSDhWqz8wt8MKPJVJeDkn7YOyhTTI/SyEfWBQUiDMajgCGO9e3wtQjUixjZJNsNeIVeXHK1PM8YBD9f17qola87xlyaWHFP056inzIVIXLH3fdse9xFxT5gkNA/1aQ= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _11bcH0VM1k.uRr3vNj51AJbsfaBw4Tqzl9UnrZuuHPrYGV 68ka4JOfGngpPdq4t3wtENVZVrh_Ma1OxwTCtpHkWajVwmOVkF3.94eS44lW EYL_luzvOiAy2Kj5yv.ZMRyUncVPqQoohXsp_GptClFnMdN10REdHQDHkSf0 rAzQ.tCP.CPuXiFIIJ7DezvOkhQhSsL.6AyOYS.bCYAw_tD3Yn3khcwSUaSj zlt1SObpEdRGCZNZ45CJRdRXyDSnyTrOd1bmYtRXbC23EXnrdtAwicnFcUrE Ls7ckrLTBjZvMzj6.f.utlUlSCLSuCvXSpJaPojzgtPXvTZREHKdWVENCSPR Z5Q1_jvVQ_s0_hVNGYEPbK1icwuEyhFoQiLKTDG4DonTTKuaHT_GQGnnloX9 62dH3QM7Q___OfvxC X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.25.18 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2011 00:28:33 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E4527EF.2000304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <52970A62D1224CAF9A966D1743DCBF00@PcMinto> <4E456AB7.6090403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4FB899125601413A9077646E2728C784@PcMinto> <4E45A678.5010908@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E45B0F9.1000007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002101cc5947$0a6ce300$4001a8c0@lark> <4E45B929.70802@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4E45B929.70802@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:28:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Faulty FKP-1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:462761056:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m215.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064e45c5764d75 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, These metallised film capacitors are "self healing" - if a voltage breakdown through the film occurs, the thin metallisation layers close to the puncture are vapourised, clearing the fault, with a small reduction in capacitance. So they will survive a certain amount of over-voltage events. But this can only happen a finite number of times... If you look at the manufacturers' rating data, they show graphs of max. AC voltage vs. frequency. At low frequencies, the voltage is constant, the limit being the value at which the dielectric breaks down. Above some frequency which depends on the capacitor value, the voltage decreases proportional to 1/f, equivalent to saying that the capacitor current is the limitation at high frequency. If you work out what this current is, it is often suprisingly low, and many amateur TX circuits exceed the limits. But the criterion for the rated current is usually an internal temperature rise of 10 degreesC above ambient, which is quite conservative for a reasonably well-ventilated capacitor in an amateur shack, so significantly higher currents are OK in practice. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU