Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 628E0380000B1; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QoMJy-0006oI-Jj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:16:14 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QoMJx-0006o9-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:16:13 +0100 Received: from nm3-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QoMJw-00080j-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:16:13 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.197] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.204] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Aug 2011 21:16:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 512653.28694.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15915 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2011 21:16:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rPhGhPfHRGbnogNLG32rFjva1C5qUCG3cnKv0Q2XIA/wDdvmBIcX5dnpJImxuJax5AlQxaNhhAcYLXyb0nqxdvPVOVbCG2+8TX/RvTJQXxTfLVVu7h6DN7OBVU5yg3Gq+J5+E7uKoTscqZehsFOAZve4XcEJdhuA8rqxs+ZxDIg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1312319766; bh=pKmPMUc1TsyvtSFDE/JSQwB0Rw6GVDyiQMxAEoeofBg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=dCQ+hgB4zmIOlNfU6KQ6fCNJW5is8kGea9Isv9UVJJhLNN64GJ3vpqJrnBk64nIdPNrTc4onUdA1oQhpbLiGxBIvnG2cChZvJiamfkpRavdTk5+IXBNfC2gxCDwYWmCPFdgQE9a57M1QSp/PThztcpSTL7hFxEdep1Ev8vdhw3U= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: zhR.d_kVM1kSuG_kPDgmINHYUo6cQavhFAWd9vsngYXNN2V 1LnKRQgN8Vu2f7uI26Rua3QAm5vcTDehSQOFOn6hXMZtqW8ci4qlNbcYMyrr rSuCwrWK5WE0KqGDnsXavfqeZxn4Ah8oileFXbQonFfNBKUu1Uohgbm4CXAB hDN2QtoYUwzfoqEPiaLrz7Br2IxCylSvTHbCjuV3Luoa2.Xn22Ax0tzbPKTz Wcc1gMAlqYYoLC6qR7hD7LSBjCvYi_yzRGAB1t3OtLV31Xx9vjQPORwegQxc 3uLbRX7t0Ih.4gsGoQckYuplxqK8tNfB0TxptRzLCHFSaI_z5F7UQSbUQEou Lr1qvduprlxtJllr9RK5FdF.BtK.slPoMYq8Tzk.BGPr7eK08gaHfLsM40Tu GPrlOQIFXXRWE50sGGNmP0qJidNQtU3F.kq_T.kKt_CLXTnWgaQAhtUFUNC0 SQUvS X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.176.86.39 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Aug 2011 21:16:05 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001601cc5147$61942b50$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:16:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Poor antennas Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:400733664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m254.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4084e3869604db7 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacek Lipkowski" > BTW it is incredible that nowadays people in north america are using > sophisticated receive setups with FFT to barely receive SAQ, and just 90 > years ago they used crude receivers for a 24h/7 telecomunications service > between the continents without problems. Dear Jacek , LF Group, Well, perhaps it is not as simple as that. At http://earlyradiohistory.us/1922RCA.htm you can see a photo of some of the receivers used (fig 180 at the bottom of the page), with a rather brief description. Considering this was the early 1920s, the receivers were clearly rather complex, with many features added to attempt to reduce noise problems. They used full-wavelength Beverage antennas at remote locations, also to reduce noise. From reading this and other accounts, it is clear that, although undoubtedly there was much less man-made QRM than today, noise was always a serious limiting factor for VLF/ LF communications. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU