Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0150638000088; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qnul4-0002gG-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:50:22 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qnul3-0002g7-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:50:21 +0100 Received: from rhcavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.129] helo=cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qnul1-0003MW-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:50:21 +0100 X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-ID: 6A4CA1382E2.A98EE X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4CA1382E2 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:50:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be (icts-s-hub-n1.luna.kuleuven.be [10.112.9.11]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3574131E702 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:50:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ICTS-S-EXC2-CA.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.11.13]) by ICTS-S-HUB-N1.luna.kuleuven.be ([10.112.9.11]) with mapi; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:50:12 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:48:40 +0200 Thread-Topic: RE: frequency doubler and divider Thread-Index: AcxQWUmF94wgXX9aSJmvAUNLgO1x3QACTIy4 Message-ID: References: <4E355332.6010107@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl-BE Content-Language: nl-BE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: nl-NL, nl-BE MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: RE: frequency doubler and divider Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:328464928:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad24e36cb852b5f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Victor, this works if you have a 50% duty cycle input (sine) input signal. And I believe this is where it all started ;-) 73, Rik ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens victor13@online.nl [victor13@online.nl] Verzonden: maandag 1 augustus 2011 16:40 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: RE: frequency doubler and divider Hi Stefan, wat about a bridge rectifier with a divider? Also broadbanded? 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----,=20 Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Stefan Sch=E4fer Verzonden: zondag 31 juli 2011 15:06 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: frequency doubler and divider LF, VLF, I just re-invented the wheel ;-) Just by thinking i found one possible way how to double and divide a rectangular signal, to achieve an accurate 50 % duty cycle :-) One could take a simple XOR gatter like a CD4070 and a RC circuit. The time constant has to be about the half of the period of the wanted frequency, e.g. 3.6 us for 137 kHz. The output of the RC circuit (voltage across C) and the original signal is fed to one single input of the gatter. Then the output frequency will be 2x f input. All this can be found in the internet as well, of course. But if you don't know about that possibility you don't know what to seach in the web too. At least i haven't found that method by searching and it also wasn't discussed here in the recent time. Furthermore i never saw it on a PA design by amateurs i found in the web. The output signal of the 4070 is then fed to the well known frequency divider consisting out of e.g. a CD4013. Then output frequency will be the same as on the input but the duty cycle will be accurate 50%! This is one method to (re-) obtain a suitable drive signal for a H bridge PA or class D PA after passing the driver signal through an optocoupler or so. I'm sure i will use that method now in several circuits, like in the new LF PA that still causes some problems, excactly on that matter! Later i found on the German wiki site: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/XOR-Gatter#Frequenzverdopplung 73, Stefan/DK7FC=