Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 18E2A38005897; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QrRjG-0007rn-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:39:06 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QrRjF-0007rd-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:39:05 +0100 Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.229]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QrRjC-0005SP-Ke for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:39:05 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.195] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2011 09:38:57 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2011 09:38:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Aug 2011 09:38:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 189938.96944.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 59485 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2011 09:38:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=BDMny4q5xtcalaUdU83zaVAV2MoZVViYBBRTJ3PQpNNIT/BnGdlwZKtYXEtnJhceAmgXbikkWtyrUz7Y6mX/XbzO8VOXgiKOqkYfwAwB4VSoU8VgVdSSfA1TbeCH2H34G+seop4GFYgxXb44dU3s+Lw5mnl/2zoYjXDopt0XAeA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1313055536; bh=LrrQQQPIumJp9xrH8ZUuJtBC8JV3KYNBpptSpQR6TAk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=x0akLPBQP+G0u8cnJDzRcNpvkJGm8DSgvBkUAmVcEzR9TYUwPyXPYvgD/OSIfHjD8jvjTJLpCFI4KQFOo4RICLgLDq4g3MXwblaFPdtn4lcFsiCHnu9EUaUQscNbFMCsTXpCGUKvZ5YxuNoW0zPtp+gxpfGU3Wt8FpzIEtL3D0I= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: U9vJMTwVM1lynkxYDRRhszGrsn0RMbRrYBNbi_tJHSlSAmf bGcN7uB7FsLbfIURAJX.wnXecIEmfDSdoJI5G0xNSQkjp.KTnizSvK0Jvha5 gT1M_6.X.4DS510Qufn_ifo3V_eD44fNDSEZApYWGWSdaisowIdezkAOXarG lueTpVSA_h07d0HhtQMvrK_xHO86t.ZXQFcFuFJBdH9DoWQLAKwphr8kdz6z 399f408KreIK50cYA2DFEaqP4Q7mGGDN.eqwJeJx0TXBVJypNiEzFhTAUDxo nwwylNU4w6iCBz4f3sPYYVKc38NeJRuXuYw.8pd2a7XGoawbND__F8JbjOXF IHIL460wanTzoHUkEZiqTZHjbjvdGalDeEl0YXvIdWGLMR9bvG.CSsQk9.ce xFabi7krE1RZUV0NUgg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.173.232.93 with login) by smtp823.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2011 02:38:56 -0700 PDT Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E418609.6020500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <67A6F7BF45BF4A0193A3DCB53000A283@PcMinto> <008401cc56ce$2f1fb2c0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <12C475F3F4C84B818461753F2E8A60A6@PcMinto> <4E41AECB.90808@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <8D68749D37B94275855FDBA46A3F6C97@PcMinto> <8B4308E108A8499DAAAAD221713A676B@PcMinto> In-Reply-To: <8B4308E108A8499DAAAAD221713A676B@PcMinto> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:39:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: HB9ASB... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:429404800:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cd4e43a3637f2e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Minto, LF Group, I did a similar measurement around 1200utc yesterday with lower daytime noise levels - DCF39 was 870uV/m here, while the noise level was approximately 0.1uV/m in 1Hz. With 0.5Hz FFT noise bandwidth, SNR of DCF39 would be 82dB, same as the night-time value - it seems that at night, ionospheric propagation enhances both DCF39 and noise by the same amount, at least at this QTH. Noise floor measurements I did a few years ago at this QTH in quet winter-time conditions gave a lower value of about 0.07uV/m per sqrt(Hz), very similar to DF6NM's figure. So this would seem to be the limit on the maximum usable sensitivity of a 137kHz receiving system. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU