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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:436811200:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m023.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34e553156420c X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Roger, LF Group, >From watching off-air signals, I would agree with Andy that WSPR and QRSS3 have roughly equal "sensitivity". But it depends also on band conditions. For example, on 500kHz a QRSS beacon signal can be expected to be fragmented much of the time by QSB at distances over a few hundred km, while WSPR can tolerate loss of quite a large portion of a sequence and still decode correctly. On the other hand, the bandwidth of QRSS can be tailored to suit conditions, a facility not currently available with WSPR. G3KEV wrote: >...and where there is fade or drop out you can fill the gaps... ...with whatever takes your fancy; garbage in, garbage out (a bit like e-mail reflectors ;-), but this is not receiving a signal, it is inventing a signal you imagine to exist. This may not be too important if you can identify the beacon by other means - usually by a pre-arranged frequency- and are just interested in monitoring how the level changes. But if anything is received at all, WSPR gives you immediate positive ID of a station, without requiring any external information. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU