Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B9F538000046; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QtHGw-0001Nf-Qk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:53:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QtHGw-0001NW-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:53:26 +0100 Received: from nm4-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.93]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QtHGv-0000ed-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:53:26 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.228] by nm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 10:53:19 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.225] by tm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 10:53:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Aug 2011 10:53:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 873017.95077.bm@omp1002.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 2935 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2011 10:53:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=iwCrKxKFUDMDUL4NDMMYdM5fMUGlwcXwFHI+ZiM5gkI8l2CkdoSEpBNBzTnRqPaT1GrTvRW8t0V+rzdRpciyM93tjBziHhWw59vCo4VOFQEXFbPadIgixxLABaSv+UaXRw5igJ0UIBkmFl8YbDuEWQ1wFrMGBk4qlH8rJrS6NPY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1313491999; bh=i6/Om7EeHpzkiU+Zcd+eZg5Keg5yK90qp5fY4+XS5F0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xtaXUZq9+rwYRjBEEvqS7+tasHfOJmWph16UoARWcf/rDeLiJL8S3vP+yD++S58j8LlU4IyGzYsudOeS9O+e1YyKYlUOM0JK3+sGU5Ta2MGvQVcS2naDBpW/JgT+q4PKAkTG9b01jCKd/1GjoQEHRHYwCEBZRPs2pJ8ve6l84r4= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 2.ecTXUVM1kOKHdt93Pr9mNBTE8_kuMY4pvzCziF146OWLc tSoVqHsHRKpNcbFH_0i5MLweTnG1_g_riw2hkq3Abbx_itRUSJfV6jhz.zET xpA7HpH_pAv.9RHHa2idsVswmj.F2Hk.Ivz6Mle3O5UN3H39BUpv.3SJKwaN kXVyVACMln0gaBe68dXblf3GpTGlRUD5lDZ199SZnBja8bpfJWditS6xJkGI TKQaEvAI7x7zcFJm7xDBzwzhY5HWHEo__rH5rnss2u3WGEn0oysB7_4Rncqz BG9FDm2D5x_RbLz5ADy0fS7JhWa.VPflgYHS2AT_Tywo6g_jpIFH1txPXqEj .excdXEqczZez0RveYtacHVX1d923g7UkVRgK_J1xaDidSBv5qQ5FZJdoiUM kmeifQEtF.BHassi_0W0- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.135.149.173 with login) by smtp821.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2011 10:53:19 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <51E78B0C619E4A90B8BBFCEDC5233A38@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4E4A4134.4060007@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <4E4A4134.4060007@kabelmail.de> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:53:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Ferrite Loops Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:424468064:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d012.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cb4e4a4c682fa6 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Tom, LF Group, > what do you think about an array of many parallel mounted ferrite rods, > each of them carrying only a few windigs, all windings connected in series > (and then perhaps tuned) and the rods arraged in such a way that the > individual apertures dont touch? Or will this lead to the dimensions of a > comparable air loop ;-) ? I am sure this would work, but I think you have also identified the limitation ;-) Fundamentally, if the signal has a particular power density at the receive site, the antenna must intercept the signal from a certain aperture area in order to deliver a certain power to the receiver. So there is a limit to how small it can practically be, although the actual shape can vary to obtain the same aperture - one could make a rough comparison between the short, wide loop vs. the long, thin ferrite rod, and a long yagi vs. a broadside array of dipoles. I think an array of ferrite rods might be attractive in some circumstances - for instance, you could have numerous small rods stacked vertically, to produce a "ferrite rod vertical" with a small turning circle but a relatively large effective area. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU