Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A640E380006C1; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QyO4r-000704-FD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:10:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QyO4r-0006zt-2Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:10:05 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QyO4p-0004h3-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:10:05 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7UDA25M011471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:10:02 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p7UDA2rq022089 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:10:02 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5CE126.2090203@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:09:58 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: LF: HF Litz wire for TX coils? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:402696096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40844e5ce1683611 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none LF, I plan to build a rather compact LF TX coil with reduced losses. Now i think about using a bigger enamelled wire (currently using ordinary loudspeaker cable). A local distributor (http://www.elnatrafo.de/) offers 2mm diameter enamelled copper wire for about 10 EUR/kg which is a fair price. The current wire is 0.75mm^2, so about 1 mm diameter. HF Litz wire may have lower losses at 136 k but what about the current capability / ampacity? I searched for some data of the litz wire i used for the ferrite antenna: A litz wire of 120*0.1 mm (http://www.reichelt.de/index.html?ACTION=3;ARTICLE=57209;SEARCH=CLI%20200%2F120) is 0.943 mm^2 but handles just 3.36 A. A single wire with 2mm diameter (assuming 0.18mm skin depth at 136 kHz) has a effective cross section area of 1.02 mm^2, so about the same as the Litz wire i mentioned. But the single wire is more robust, cheaper and easier to wind. Also the heat transfer could be better with a single wire when using a PVC tube for the coil. I need about 2.9 mH for resonating at 137 kHz (yes, Mal, we know, you have below 1 mH our youzr inv-L). This could be achieved by using a 20 cm diameter tube and about 120m of wire. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19882028/LF/coil%20calculation.png Any comments or suggestions? 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: What do you think about a coil body out of glass? I have to take very special care here not to burn down the institute but i want to remote control the system, so mostly i cannot watch the coil and have no XYL walking arround in the garden, telling me if something begins to smell ;-)