Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 2DCFF3800015A; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QxlFv-00081S-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QxlFv-00081J-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QxlFu-00044Z-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7SJgrio010425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:42:53 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p7SJgrcS020888 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:42:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4E5A9A3A.50205@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:42:50 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7B6D5F6A8CEE4E3CAB04E35F1F9E9732@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <7B6D5F6A8CEE4E3CAB04E35F1F9E9732@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Ferrite rod antenna - on-air testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:454886912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61894e5a9a732e0d X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Jim, What a surprise, i didn't expect such a story as a result of my spontaneous transmission ;-) Congrats to your compact and well performing antenna which will be good for holidays and /p, if home QRM rises and rises with the years. This should be a good solution for many QRM bothered OMs. Better to take a walk and try it from a bank with a good view beside a forest than sitting at home and trying for hours without success! Yes, 136.5 kHz would be more useful for a CW QSO. We really should try that ASAP. Are you ready for transmitting? Ah and thanks for the nice report ;-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 28.08.2011 20:44, schrieb James Moritz: > Dear LF Group, > > The QRN level on 136kHz has finally died away, and I was able to > record the attached spectrogram, showing DK7FC calling CQ around > 1755utc, using my prototype ferrite rod antenna. On the left of the > spectrogram, the rod is oriented for N-S reception, and the background > noise consists mainly of horizontal Loran spectral lines, plus some > unidentified, low-level, local "mush". On the right of the > spectrogram, Stefan's signal level increases as the rod is rotated for > E-W reception. Here, the noise level is mainly vertical streaks due to > sidebands of DCF39's FSK modulation. The black area at the right hand > edge of the screenshot is where the ferrite rod was replaced by a > "dummy antenna" inductor, and shows that the internal noise level of > antenna and preamp is below the band noise level (by around 10dB). > > The band noise seen with the ferrite rod is practically the same as > seen with larger loop antennas under quiet conditions, so this > practical test does show that a reasonably compact ferrite rod can > give sensitivity limited only by the external band noise on 136k. In > fact, there is some margin for making the rod smaller still in this case. > > BTW, Stefan was an S4 audible signal - CW would have been a bit > difficult due to the bursts of noise from DCF39, but a QSO would > certainly be possible, especially if a quieter frequency were chosen. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU