Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mg05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E520238000096; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qvy5L-0002Tb-EB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:00:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qvy5K-0002TS-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:00:34 +0100 Received: from yoda.london.02.net ([82.132.130.151] helo=mail.o2.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvy5I-0007PP-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:00:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.65] (46.64.39.147) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as g3ldo@o2.co.uk) id 4E0B26DF09DA544C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:00:26 +0100 Message-ID: <4E5414EA.7070707@o2.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:00:26 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24DD2264A48C492C89F1A444F5D47A5D@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <24DD2264A48C492C89F1A444F5D47A5D@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz ferrite rod antenna test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:425166688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cd4e54151904aa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none In the early 1960s some aircraft in the RAF were fitted with Marconi ADF sets. The loop antenna was a slab of ferrite, which if my memory serves me right, was some 200mm x 120mm and about 30 or 40mm thick. The windings were just a few turns of litz wire. As the equipment had to cover the whole of the NDB beacon band I guess it was a broad band technology. In the early days of 73kHz I followed the example of Mike, G3XDV, in constructing a loop antenna and FET preamp from a defunct transistor set to make up a mobile receiving station. These were used to check out the relative field strengths of our primitive early transmitters. My transmitter was a audio signal generator, a 10w solid state vehicle sound system amplifier and a big coil Peter, G3LDO. > > Having said quite a lot about ferrite rods on the reflector recently, > I thought I better try one as a quick "feasibility study"! > > I have a large bar of ferrite I had assembled from surplus "U" cores > some years ago as part of a portable SAQ receiving system (it's a long > story...). The"rod" is about 470mm long, with rectangular cross > section about 30mm x 35mm. This is rather larger than the rods used by > DK7FC and DF6NM, but the ferrite is more lossy - probably 3C8 or some > similar "power" grade. 30 turns of litz wire gave L about 360uH and Q > of 150 (so using litz probably wasn't justified, but I had that length > to hand). This resonates with about 3700pF at 137kHz, giving an > equivalent parallel resistance of about 45kohm and a bandwidth a bit > under 1kHz. > > The preamp is a compound JFET/bipolar follower using a J310 biased to > 6mA and a 2N3053 biased to 50mA (probably similar performance to a > "mini-whip" preamp at 137k). The high Z input is connected directly > across the tuned antenna winding. With the high QRN on the band this > evening, it is hard to get a good view of the noise floor, so I used a > "dummy antenna" consisting of a pot-core inductor wound with the same > inductance and Q, substituted for the real rod antenna to simulate a > zero signal and external noise condition. The noise output from the > resonated dummy antenna was 10dB or more above the RX noise floor > (SDR-IQ). The preamp with input shorted gave a noise level below the > RX noise floor. So this preamp arrangement gives sensitivity limited > by the thermal noise of the antenna, and adequate gain for the > "reasonably good sensitivity" SDR-IQ (also for my RA1792). > > I made a rough estimate of the overall sensitivity of the complete > system by measuring the level of DCF39, which is a fairly stable > 800uV/m here during daylight. On an arbitrary scale on the SDR-IQ > spectrogram, DCF39 was -19dB, while the noise floor at around 137.7kHz > with dummy antenna was -109dB with 0.75Hz FFT noise bandwidth. This > works out to an antenna noise floor of about 0.03uV/m per sqrt(Hz), > several dB below quiet 136kHz band conditions. So sensitivity of a > receive system with this antenna should be limited only by the band > noise; it should also be possible to reduce the amount of ferrite > somewhat, especially if lower loss ferrite antenna rods are used. I > await lower QRN levels for a "live" test ! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > >