Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D4B8938000126; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QvpHR-0000OP-7j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:36:29 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QvpHQ-0000OG-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:36:28 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QvpHP-0004QS-E2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:36:28 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7NBaQXT026040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:36:26 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p7NBaPL3022485 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:36:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4E538FEF.9030906@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:33:03 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001f01cc6186$e8928490$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001f01cc6186$e8928490$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: 137 cw benchmark Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020102080202060401010408" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:468079584:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad14e5390f70d39 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020102080202060401010408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2nd...4th of September i will be in France again, transmitting on 137 kHz from JN29OD96TK I will use a 200m vertical antenna (if i get the permission from the french OMs), a good earth and decent TX power. Since my RX has a 50 Ohm input now, i will check how the TX antenna performs as a RX antenna (having a 3/10/13/20/23/30/33/40 dB attenuator in line). But i rather expect the loop will outperform the vertical due to its directivity... 73, Stefan Am 23.08.2011 13:22, schrieb mal hamilton: > LF > The aim for CW operators on 137 should be to have a QSO with a station > around Moscow or beyond. > If not, you are not generating enough SMOKE. > Of course the Receive end might have a poor antenna these days, > compared to some years back when everyone had a BIG wire antenna of > some sort. > Although present Grabbers do produce a trace of a kind I tend to think > they lack sensitivity, again it could be an antenna problem > I would like to see a Grabber with a Real Antenna just to compare > results against Microprobes and small Loops > G3KEV --------------020102080202060401010408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2nd...4th of September i will be in France again, transmitting on 137 kHz from JN29OD96TK
I will use a 200m vertical antenna (if i get the permission from the french OMs), a good earth and decent TX power. Since my RX has a 50 Ohm input now, i will check how the TX antenna performs as a RX antenna (having a 3/10/13/20/23/30/33/40 dB attenuator in line).
But i rather expect the loop will outperform the vertical due to its directivity...

73, Stefan

Am 23.08.2011 13:22, schrieb mal hamilton:
LF
The aim for CW operators on 137 should be to have a QSO with a station around Moscow or beyond.
If not, you are not generating enough SMOKE.
Of course the Receive end might have a poor antenna these days, compared to some years back when everyone had a BIG wire antenna of some sort.
Although present Grabbers do produce a trace of a kind I tend to think they lack sensitivity, again it could be an antenna problem
I would like to see a Grabber with a Real Antenna just to compare results against  Microprobes and small Loops
 
G3KEV
 
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