Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 80EB6380000A8; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QuVP9-0002hF-Er for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:10:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QuVP9-0002h6-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:10:59 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.100.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QuVP7-0001aN-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:10:59 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7JKAuJm002633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:10:57 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p7JKAuQo027625 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4EC289.6000704@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:07:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7.0.1.0.1.20110819095835.01ba53e8@xtra.co.nz> <4E4D96F0.6050409@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313740427.69106.YahooMailNeo@web111905.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1313740947.33597.YahooMailNeo@web111915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E4E220A.7070706@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4E4EACED.9010309@legal-medicine.de> In-Reply-To: <4E4EACED.9010309@legal-medicine.de> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by relay.uni-heidelberg.de id p7JKAuJm002633 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Ferrite Receive Antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:433736416:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cb4e4ec37b1709 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Hello Peter, Thanks for the link, very interesting and relating to the current=20 discussion :-) I expect many of us are reading the dissertation right=20 now ;-) Especially fig. 5-16 on page 139 is interesting. Downscaling to a =B5r of= =20 400 (in my case) is required but anyway the trend/dependency is useful=20 to see. Anyway, both, the diameter and length is useful to improve the SNR. But=20 for my /p antenna, making the rod much longer than it currently is (=3D28= =20 cm) makes not much sense if the goal is an antenna that can be carried=20 in a backpack. Once it becomes 1 m and longer, a simple single turn loop=20 could be used as well... Going on reading now :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 19.08.2011 20:35, schrieb pws: > Hi, > > O.K., once again. Seems like to post into /dev/null... > > I wrote: > > All you need about constructing ferrite loops and what you can do=20 > using > this kind of antenna: > > "New Potential of Low-Frequency Radionavigation in the 21st Century" > > Doctoral thesis of Wouter Johan PELGRUM. > > > > Get it there: > > http://www.vhl.tudelft.nl/pelgrum/formulier.adp > > > > Skip all Loran-C specific parts jumping just to chapter 5. > > Included are many useful graphics about geometry, > > winding lengths, bundling vs. stacking, arrays, > > "counter wound" loops, screening, etc. > > > > It's worth reading even without understanding all that math - like me. > > Peter, df3lp