Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 68F003800008F; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QoMm5-0006w5-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:45:17 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QoMm4-0006vw-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:45:16 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de ([129.206.210.211]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QoMm3-0008Vm-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:45:16 +0100 Received: from freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.29.204]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p72LjE2F023194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 23:45:14 +0200 Received: from [129.206.22.206] (pc206.iup.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.22.206]) by freitag.iup.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.2) with ESMTP id p72LjArl023788 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 23:45:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4E386F31.10900@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 23:42:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Sch=E4fer?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8CE1F480AFAA39A-BE4-3E91@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CE1F480AFAA39A-BE4-3E91@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Fieldstrength and radiated power Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010100040505010105060402" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:459808256:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604c4e38702c26a5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010100040505010105060402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Markus, Will try now if it works and see what my level will be ;-) Good for PA adjustments, at least in times without a skywave component. Anyway... So, do we have to send a longer dash or acidentally transmit to the right time? :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 02.08.2011 18:26, schrieb Markus Vester: > Dear LF, > to support estimates of radiated power, I have added a fieldstrength > readout on my LF grabber > http://www.alice-dsl.net/df6nm/grabber/Grabber.htm > It simply displays the peak frequency and amplitude within the QRSS > subband at the time of the capture (ie. every five minutes). Due to > different calibration issues, the readout will be accurate only to > within about 3 dB. There may also be considerable day-to-day > variation, for example from switching between different receive antennas. > In the region of groundwave dominance (up to 400 km daytime, 200 km in > darkness), radiated power in dBm or milliwatts can be roughly > estimated based on distance R using > EMRP[dBm] = 20 log E[uV/m] + 20 log R[km] + 0.02 R[km] - 49.5 > EMRP[mW] = 10^(EMRP[dBm]/10) > To convert to halfwave-dipole ERP or EIRP, you would have to apply the > usual factor of 1.83 or 3. > Hope this may be useful... > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > > --------------010100040505010105060402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Markus,

Will try now if it works and see what my level will be ;-) Good for PA adjustments, at least in times without a skywave component. Anyway...

So, do we have to send a longer dash or acidentally transmit to the right time? :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 02.08.2011 18:26, schrieb Markus Vester:
Dear LF,
 
to support estimates of radiated power, I have added a fieldstrength readout on my LF grabber
 
 
It simply displays the peak frequency and amplitude within the QRSS subband at the time of the capture (ie. every five minutes). Due to different calibration issues, the readout will be accurate only to within about 3 dB. There may also be considerable day-to-day variation, for example from switching between different receive antennas.
 
In the region of groundwave dominance (up to 400 km daytime, 200 km in darkness), radiated power in dBm or milliwatts can be roughly estimated based on distance R using
 
 EMRP[dBm] = 20 log E[uV/m] + 20 log R[km] + 0.02 R[km] - 49.5
 EMRP[mW] = 10^(EMRP[dBm]/10)
 
To convert to halfwave-dipole ERP or EIRP, you would have to apply the usual factor of 1.83 or 3.
 
Hope this may be useful...
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)


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