Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id B0259380000A5; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qvv7x-00019h-Ng for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:51:05 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qvv7w-00019Y-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:51:04 +0100 Received: from nm3-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvv7u-0004IU-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:51:04 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.231] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:57 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.224] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 111998.42768.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83556 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2011 17:50:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=r80dc2YYeIx+2oykBzt7VHPRXx/dXmCdXRjR8D+P9ofoOFEokhmrD4jKIWjFQDKnIZCK507jk1j0bivhGK/fWe84RKam8BAwmt71e6IBmi5x3hVGlXTxNfYzY1QeFJQDMA9IRfoUCTys7go6zSYln7K9mj3aSRCCzgoPVrOA0kg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1314121857; bh=OJi3ZaquwpCwPSXLYoMSULEJ0HZCpcs7Ym2/bEOwAPU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PHebJOwWSmxJsMbk6E9ms5KDpUu+pvQI3AJQYFLr9Q9r3yB70rpWZztWQxuFMRKgytTbgBzRpNH09B91ysx8W98Pyzd+b9Nj+NTYCMYflqtb2rPkYuvNBLbgDrqFhk1BYvx3VZtOUX4xYPsykHYujxRiMIrq2vXopGyyF0IusNo= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: aVOxtU4VM1mMR.k4D1PjTbe7IxDK2LdV0NgasqRkD9xcUhz JhzQnO2WeIMYLjKjEzj4u4c00kop0PKrITdLNCd8x8hfMXr_QAZaY9iEBG7n n5XGWHe6i_IDp0qdtGE3USOdqD2CIZiLBl3s27RE4RfN8je7CMJYoqP4Vmns ZnpdAuhMnpVHXHGmp3ivI4YTqx_iuY5LR85wG0bxv2oVxKl55N.kb5nAwENQ hnBXdzh1uhPY29aspA6.vcaWarn2A.o2xd5bHH.2faSIf80sszR2yRAV1Gzj Wma5dTGf3U1OTWUNrW_s5pYBzExBeJaaBcR5VAAiyJtKP8PEXIXC3nQr3Go5 7fqXYS1DyJSL7pR9LUpIw.RXg_x4rLDKKLuPSvtVWK6AbvyAuxpA82GRJD0i LrG52bFYOLdozS0Z5RyE- X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.135.149.173 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2011 17:50:56 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <24DD2264A48C492C89F1A444F5D47A5D@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:51:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: 136kHz ferrite rod antenna test Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:450223392:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m022.1 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1484e53e8cd0d8a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear LF Group, Having said quite a lot about ferrite rods on the reflector recently, I thought I better try one as a quick "feasibility study"! I have a large bar of ferrite I had assembled from surplus "U" cores some years ago as part of a portable SAQ receiving system (it's a long story...). The"rod" is about 470mm long, with rectangular cross section about 30mm x 35mm. This is rather larger than the rods used by DK7FC and DF6NM, but the ferrite is more lossy - probably 3C8 or some similar "power" grade. 30 turns of litz wire gave L about 360uH and Q of 150 (so using litz probably wasn't justified, but I had that length to hand). This resonates with about 3700pF at 137kHz, giving an equivalent parallel resistance of about 45kohm and a bandwidth a bit under 1kHz. The preamp is a compound JFET/bipolar follower using a J310 biased to 6mA and a 2N3053 biased to 50mA (probably similar performance to a "mini-whip" preamp at 137k). The high Z input is connected directly across the tuned antenna winding. With the high QRN on the band this evening, it is hard to get a good view of the noise floor, so I used a "dummy antenna" consisting of a pot-core inductor wound with the same inductance and Q, substituted for the real rod antenna to simulate a zero signal and external noise condition. The noise output from the resonated dummy antenna was 10dB or more above the RX noise floor (SDR-IQ). The preamp with input shorted gave a noise level below the RX noise floor. So this preamp arrangement gives sensitivity limited by the thermal noise of the antenna, and adequate gain for the "reasonably good sensitivity" SDR-IQ (also for my RA1792). I made a rough estimate of the overall sensitivity of the complete system by measuring the level of DCF39, which is a fairly stable 800uV/m here during daylight. On an arbitrary scale on the SDR-IQ spectrogram, DCF39 was -19dB, while the noise floor at around 137.7kHz with dummy antenna was -109dB with 0.75Hz FFT noise bandwidth. This works out to an antenna noise floor of about 0.03uV/m per sqrt(Hz), several dB below quiet 136kHz band conditions. So sensitivity of a receive system with this antenna should be limited only by the band noise; it should also be possible to reduce the amount of ferrite somewhat, especially if lower loss ferrite antenna rods are used. I await lower QRN levels for a "live" test ! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU